The GSD must SPLIT away from The Alsation! - Page 30

OK George - you had your penn`worth - and why shouldnt you.... but keep it clean.  At this "getting together" if it ever gets off the ground (and I will try) you could put forward your suggestion  English Shepherd... there is an Australian Shepherd  etc., but I think for starters we would be politely meeting the Kennel Club to get the decision for two differing reigstration names that they were already using  i.e. GSD & Alsations.   I`m sad to hear you had probs with your alsation, but dont cloud over that we also have problems with the gsd.  Do you know any breed - any one at all - that has no problems...

Now is not the time for arguements.  I am appealing now for people of the Alsation fancy and people of the GSD fancy to mail me please   mascani22@aol.com  to register their interest in setting up a meeting - or suggesting a leader to pioneer their side of things (without vitreol)

This doesnt have to - and wont if dont properly - upset anyone in the Kennel Club.  Why would it - another breed which is already sorted by way of looks, just needs to be a paper exercise if their owners and breeders are sensible... so leave out the bad mouthing of each other and each others dogs, and lets get on with it...    mail me if interested.  I am not sure which way to take it all at present, but I know that there are people on this board who will have definate good suggestions, and I will collate them and try to move forward.   Reading Davids post above (Videx) no-one can argue that we need the K.C. - it would be all very nice to be a splinter group, and I wondered if this would be good, having talked to Frikki (South Afrika) it wasnt easy, it took 10 years or more, and was it worth it? would he do it again?  Yrs, but he still had far more trouble than he anticipated getting unity.... where have we heard that before.

I could be a dumb blonde dreaming about helping to quell the bad feeling and enjoy our breed(s) again...... or I could be getting support by way of you all emailing me (and you have my promise that every email will be in total confidence - if you are at all worried about that put a disclaimer on the bottom of your mail) to give support to the seperation of the two types.  If the support is there, we will formulate a meeting, and I will ask John McLain and Brian Wootton to chair each of their own sides enthusiast.  The rest is up to the floor. 

Whether we meet like a bunch of yobs insulting each others points of view, and gain nothing, or whether we can be seen to rise to the occasion and prove the dog world wrong, that we can put up a presentation to the Kennel Club in the right manner and be treated just as respectfully by them.

The saddest thing that I have seen in a very long time was Mr Brandon at the Breed Council meeting on 24th.  He was obviously unhappy about most of the comments from the floor - he didnt agree with the floors general opinion on the standard - and why should he, he admires and loves the breed that he follows - but he was at a breed council meeting that wasnt really giving him any motivation or pleasure at all regarding his interpretation of the Breed Standard. He had bothered to get himself there, and spend time listening, although very obviously not enjoying what he heard... He could have been chairing his own Alsation breed Council Meeting..... steering things for his type in the way he wants to steer...... if we get this through with the Kennel Club, that would make sense and far less frustration for many.     Mo

To Patrick, I know what you mean re democratic... but if people are interested enough to get out of their armchairs if we could get that near - then that would take the vote..... the stay at home, apathetic folks that didnt vote would just go along with the crowd, or stagnate. 

Then there are the people who matter in our breed who are not spring chickens, the Rose Emmetts  the Johnnie Stokes and many more - and people that we all know do not enjoy good health or for some reason cant get to a meeting, be it finance, or distance, or both.... then they must be allowed a vote and given good time to do it, and full explanation of what is trying to be achieved.... we need all of our experienced people from all sides, they will all have a very valuable input when the first communication with the Kennel Club can be met - it has to be right, first impressions matter and if a delegation or a letter is not showing correct protocol, or is deemed to be threatening we may as well forget it right now.... and we cant do that.  Mo

Eastenders must have wound you up !!!   sorry I quoted Alsation, not GSD -

if you look at your paragraph from your posting ......   

 Is my dog a German Shepherd Dog ! IMO I would say a fake copy of the original.

I read it through quickly without my specs on and took IMO to be NO  -   but when we have a seperation of those two types, we wont make such mistakes will we  !!!     Corrie must be much more relaxing,     Mo

Penny

All German Shepherd enthusiasts matter & their vote SHOULD count. You assume far too much.It might just suprise you what way the vote would go if people decided to vote.



Ally

It is ALSATIAN,not ALSATION you dislike our dogs so much  i would have thought it would have been imprinted in your brain or is it you just can't spell.
 Linedancer

I have emailed you Mo with a few names from both sides.
Pam

Ally B - I'm unsure of how you have read Pennys post as I do not read it that she 'assumes' anything and quite the opposite says that all votes SHOULD count and people with 'problems voting' should be given assistance/ time to do so.  She also explains herself in terms of reading IMO as NO???   Why does she get slated for giving as impartial a view as is possible given the obvious passion on both sides and attempting the make moves to look after the interests of both parties and ultimately both 'types' of dog.?

Linedancer - Oh please, I'm sure you left the playground a while ago why resort to personal attacks? surely your efforts/energy would be better placed addressing the issue and at least attempting to DO something about it.?   Or shall we really devalue our breed and turn this thread into how many horrible names we are able to call penny and how many insults can we throw at her.?

My opinion for what it's worth is that yes I believe we should split the two 'types' of dog - Alsatian/English Shepherd Dog and German Shepherd Dog, with appropriate standards for both, health screening for both and judging criteria for both.  I am by no means an expert and will never claim to be.  But likewise if the two 'camps' got together and thrashed out a proposal for each 'type' - with the support of each 'camp' in an adult, proactive and sensible way  to present to KC then surely they would at least have to listen, if not actually DO something?  Idealistic maybe, but what's the alternative for the breed? Carry on as we are throwing insults at each other about, not only the dogs, but personal attacks to both sides - does that really present as though you have the interests of your breed at heart?. 

Personally I am in support of pennys approach and whilst the finite details may not be absolute, the principle of what you say does indicate that not only are you prepared to DO something about the state of affairs but also that you demonstrate you are able to have an impartial view on the situation - seeing both side so to speak.   I also understand that major changes such as this do not happen  without the support/ input of both parties so lets not let penny stand alone instead let's support our breed and individual types and work with her.

The Wife Of Paul - Liz ( ps: I do not like to hide behind a board username - as my mother always taught me if you don't like my opinion then we'll have to agree to disagree!!)