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by 1doggie2 on 17 May 2007 - 21:05

If I can remember, Barry's Dam is Wesneka. I imported her for them from Germany. I have not seen her since she was a young one. Weneska is a spit fire. I saw Barry a few times when he was a pup, good looking fellow. I use to know all of the dogs down there, I have not been there in a few years. Kappi, I am not all that fimilar with, I did not spend alot of time with her. Yes, Jimmy is thier personal dog, I was hoping they would think about selling him when he retired, no such luck. That dog makes my heart melt, so much personality. Give your pup time, I can tell you if he has any of his grandma in him, you have no worries. Plus he is a male, why get all worked up if your female is willing to do the work and protect.

by 1doggie2 on 17 May 2007 - 22:05

ALPHAPUP, Hi.

I think the issue is not that they are capable as pups of a down, then stay. But how it effects them in competition. Most feel it stiffles the dogs, and puts to much control on them and takes out the dog's enthusiasm for work. I think it depends on the dog and how it is done. I also feel that pups are learning machines. Just as we have found that babies learn alot more than we understood at a young age. Also babies have a window of opportunity at a very young age to learn languges. Just maybe this thinking of waiting to train and letting them be heathens until older, just might be worth rethinking. anyway out the door to the vets.

by Sunsilver on 17 May 2007 - 23:05

(Watches her 16 week old pup chase her tail, crashing into things as she does so.)

Well, judging by what I see here, if they can get a young pup to do that, more power to them....er...excuse me...[removes junk mail retrieved from the wastebasket from pup's mouth...]

by ALPHAPUP on 17 May 2007 - 23:05

no that is a fallacy -i hace taught for competiton .. by the tome i sent my female to Germany 1 year old .. she had all the ptotection work down .. most of the BH .. -- what the problem is .. people try to control the dogs rather than the dog learn a behavior that is self fulfilling and therefore similarily learn self control ..the behavior becomes thier essence / thier way of being. neurochemically and nerologically they become conditioned like a martial atrtist .. the behavior and the thought are the same. most often the behavior taught in a certain way is more predicrabvle /exact and ingrained like their pigment.this is achieved by attending to what the dog needs. for example .. a dog that likes to bite crazy .. ther easiest to teach the out .. simple ..communicate it gets what it wants .. to bite .. but it needs to first out .. same with a position .. you must see into the dog and understand what it needs in order to freeze it's posityion and then communicate it .. my dogs are not told what to do , in that respect .. they learn it is in our iunterest so they can't wait to offer the behavior with reliability and exactitude .. why wouldn't they .. would you show up to work on time if you got $150 for being at a certain place at a specific time .. i assure you .. you would run and you would be reliable

by angusmom on 17 May 2007 - 23:05

yeah, barry's mom is waneska vom fichtenschlag and his sire is superioue's zathan. angus is big like zathan but lots of black like his uncle dutch. he's a long coat like dutch too. we didn't want a show or working line dog, just a pet and companion, so the coat for us is gorgeous. we did have him neutered recently; we never planned on breeding anyway, i'll leave that to people who know what they are doing. it's funny, a woman who works in the office at my son's school has just purchased a male pup from them; it's finishing up its training (that long down!) now. i can't wait to see her pup.

by 1doggie2 on 18 May 2007 - 00:05

I am so excited, my mind is still there and I could remember! I can tell you a lot of stories about Barry and his puppyhood. He was always one into trouble. He would have been the Dennis the Mennis of the dog world. As young ones they let them play wtih the females. That son of a gun mated one that went into heat, unknown to the kennel help. I think he was under 9 months old at the time. Thank the stars the mating did not take. Then another time He flooded the upper yard, they use to have a really large portable pool up there. Well Barry ate the hose thru. then another time he TP'd, the house while I was on the phone. That dog was always into something

by 1doggie2 on 18 May 2007 - 04:05

ALPHAPUP, I like your explaination better than my food for thought. I have always questioned in my mind the early training and have had some heated discussions on this topic. To me it would be like bringing along a fine wine and not some rush job. From the dogs I have seen that I like and would trust they are like building blocks and have been built. Some of the trained dogs I now see coming into the country I am not impressed with the training, I also think it does something to the temperment of the dog. It has become so much of a cottage industry, it is almost like they are factory done with mass production. I have not trained one, I admit, I buy them complete. But I want the whole pacakage, just because I have not trained one does not mean I can not see the difference

by allaboutthedawgs on 18 May 2007 - 14:05

When I was a kid we had this pack of dogs. We had beagles, bird dogs and whatever strays us kids could slip in without our dad noticing. They were my best friends. But my job was to feed them and give them flea dips, and whatever else they needed for attention.

When I would feed they were all OVER me and were so hard to work on for cuts, etc.. When I grew up I got my first dog and swore to myself I would train them to be pleasant and controllable to be around. I have always done this since getting married and having my own home (25 years). I've never been accused of having subdued "Stepford" dogs by any means. I enjoy their personalities and they enjoy the interaction and mental stimulation. If it's done as a game and they always win the treat or reward it builds confidence instead of stifling it. I make sure my pups feel like they saved the world when they do any command and they are downright cocky.

I am no expert on dogs but I do know accomplishment makes any being better.

JMO

Dawg

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