How Andrew Hunte BSed his way into GSDCA - Page 3

Royal Canin. His ad on this site leads you to the speech he gave GSDCA. It was locked yesterda, but bakc up today. I am disgusted he is advertising on this site, but what the hell, no one gives a damn.

Spook, save me the research, who is the major dog food Co. he has an economic relationship with? Thanks

I was just disgusted when his website popped up right before you click on German Shepherd.

You are right, but what is your point, autobahn? I mean what do you want? Where or when do people put there collective foot down? Granted, if GSDCA tried to fight his membership they would be sued. So does that mean we smile & take it up the ass? You fight the good fight because it is the right thing to do, not only if and when winning is a guarantee. But then maybe I'm way off base. Maybe there really is nothing wrong with McPuppies being sold at Walmart someday soon. Have a nice day.

Blitzen, there are other GSD (DSH) registries in Germany. I heard of another one recently but cannot think of the name. They hold working trials, too. It's actually an all breed organization. Some of the breeders have gone over to this who cannot get permission from the SV to breed their non-show-line but otherwise very nice dogs. The SV decided several years ago that they were going to raise the standards for conformation in working dogs, and this is what happens. Basically, the show dog people are allowed to stomp all over everyone else, they come to dominate the market, the others don't like it, and then they split and go somewhere else. This is the problem you get into when trying to dictate terms to strongly to your user base. It turns people off. I would not be surprised if eventually the breed splits into two or three subgroups, each with their own registry. There is already for a long time now a white GSD registry in Germany, and an "alt Deutsche Schaferhunde" registry. That is for "old style" GSDs, a euphamism for long coats. The SV is very large and has a long ways to go before they really have to worry, if ever.. But it is an open pet market over there and there is no law that one has to buy only an SV registered puppy. In our own minds we have given the AKC and SV a lot of importance, but what is there, really? They only have the meaning and importance that we ascribe to them and the value that we bring to them through our own actions.

By the way, I saw an article on the Hunte trucking operation, taking puppies to the tri-state area from Missouri and Nebraska. It was in a trucker's magazine several years ago. I may have saved a copy. It described the trucks and how they are set up with a sanitation system, cooling, etc. The article stated that the truckers are paid a bonus if they come back with an empty truck. When I read that, I wondered if there were any 'gator farms along the way.

Well that puts an end to the romantic notion that things are going so much better in Germany than here as far as splinter registrations and people breeding whatever they want to breed. It seesm the only deterent in Germany is that those not following the rules cannot register their dogs with the SV thus the dogs can't be registered here with the AKC either. They can still breed the dogs they want to breed, however, they are forbidden SV sanction. In a democratic society (like the US and Germany)there are always going to be ways to circumvent any system no matter how strict. Don't like the SV's way of regulating breeding GSD? Hell, start your own registry or move your operation to the US where anything goes and you have your pick of 3, 4,,5 registries one of which is sure to fit your needs.

I want people to be outraged and recognize OTHER breeders that are doing the same thing as this man, yet who are still being supported! Awareness is everything.

Autobahn, you make it all sound so easy. You are not the only person on this board who isn't all warm and fuzzy over the big GSD players with 50 plus dogs in crates and litter after litter of world class, high priced puppies for sale right here every time we log on to this board. It disgusts others too. At the risk of sounding like a broken record, if GSD puppies only sold for $500 most breeding them would not be in it for the money. Another thread for another day. As long as Hunte et al are following the rules and not violating any animal welfare acts, keeping proper parerwork trails, paying their taxes and not committing misdemeanors or felonies, there's not any legal way to prevent or stop any of them from earning a living in this country. In the US it is not illegal to be unethical or stupid; if it were the already crowded jails would be overflowing with dog breeders. Again, define puppy miller. It many cases these multiple caged dogs are probably being kept in violation of local laws and that should be reported to the local dog law enforcers. Like it or not the mass breeding of dogs is not against the law and probably never will be in the US. People like Hunte earn a living in a way most dog breeders consider unethical and deplorable. However his operation is not illegal anymore than the local news stand operator is committing a crime by selling soft porn magazines from his kiosk in the family mall. The law doesn't care about the Huntes of this world, but organizations intended to be the gaurdians of purebred dogs sure should give a crap and find a way to keep thme out of their rank and file. Sign the petition mentioned in this thread. Protest to AKC and the GSDCA regarding allowing a person like Hunte to be affiliated with organizations that are supposed to exist to protect dogs. If you are a member of the GSDCA don't renew your membership and if you're thinking about joining, don't do it and tell them why. If you enjoy reading "The Review", subscribe to it, you don't need to be a member to do that. As long as the general public buys dogs from pet shops, there will always be a market for mass produced puppies. It's been going on here in PA for many years, the Amish puppy millers and their affiliates have runied many a breed - S Bernards and GSD's to name just 2. Now that they are subject to inspections and conforming to AKC paperwork regs, many are now registering their pups with other organizations thus bypassing AKC. You can either sit back and complain about how many GSD breeders you have seen that are puppy mills, or you can do something that might matter in the big picture by signing the petition mentioned in this thread and by joining with some dog organzations that are trying to educate the general public on why not to buy from pet shops and what to look for when buying from a breeder. You will never have the clout to close down any of the big GSD kennels in the US. Pick you battles and don't bring a knife to a gun fight.

Well this sounds like a wonderful topic for a venue such Dateline or Primetime Live. I would find it very interesting for Mr. Hunte to disclose his GSD "breeders" and have a look see as to their operation. Sounds like he is pretty slick so it would have to be a surprise to him. We have quite a few "Happieness is Pets" stores here in the midwest and I understand most of those puppies come from him.