Critique please - 22 month WL Bitch - Page 3

Joanro,

I described her underline (which includes under chest + tuck up) as nice=good. And I described her loin as slightly long. That was my critique of her:

German Shepherd female medium size and strength that is slightly, only slightly stretched, good strong head of good planes, good medium dark eye, earset a bit wide, good strong neck, good high and long withers, good level back, slightly, only slightly long loin, good croup position but slightly short, good tail and tailset. Good rear that could use a bit more angulation, strong hock, nice underline, looks standing straight on fore legs, good chest depth, front upper arm needs a bit more length and angle but shoulder blade lay back is very good. Allover a nice bitch that has good substance and a beautiful smooth top line without notable interruptions. Beautiful girl, good luck.

 

When Hundmutter commented on the tuck up, I explained why I did not note tuck up as undesirable, because I see a slightly long loin not a undesirable tuck up. Here what I said exactly:

I see a slightly long loin more than a undesirable tuck up that could cause instability for rear parts in trot.

You corrected me on tuck up not connected to rear parts stability in trot, though I did not say that, my criticism is of the slightly long loin (tuck up is fine with me) that would affect transmission of thrust that comes from rear then gets redirected by croup then passed to loin, slightly long loin is a slightly weak bridge.

If my words meant something contrary then it is a language problem not what my brain is thinking or what my eye is seeing. Joanro, give poor language rating 

hahahah Joanro, I told you rate my language as undesirable 

Sitasmom, i don't care what theGermans want to see...I see what they have done to the breed. And a strong, sound dog is not a part of their agenda. The standard has been taken to extreme by them and most "fanciers". The lungs are NOT in the abdomen and if a nice tight tuck up truely affected the "lung capacity", why do the sight hounds, racing greyhounds in particular ( as opposed to "show greyhounds" ), have the tiny waste due to "tucked up" abdomen and can outrun any GSD on the plannet? Here's the thing, IMO, those German judges probly never opened up a deer, or a cow, and saw first hand the internal annotomy of a four legged mammal. So all their proclaiming that a tuck up is wrong is...wrong. Why do you suppose torsion is so prvalent in the GSD as a breed?

If you don't care what the Germans want to see, why ask for a critique?

A critique must be against the breed standard, which is what my comments where.

As I said, I prefer a dog with a moderate tuck-up, but that isn't the standard.

 

 

Haha, sitasmom, I haven't and don't ask for a critque. :-)

oops,

Give me a minute, you are both correct, I will try to clarify the tuck up thing in a minute

I THINK Joanro is correct and the torsion point is something to think about.

Sitasom is also correct, but she applied the priciple wrongly to dog in question.

Tuck up is usually the result of short under chest. Short under chest is what causes less healthy space for lungs.

Please see what Mr. Donald says about underline

Underline
Both dogs are the same in this regard and show the correct 
depth and length of underchest and a moderate tuck up. We 
still have quite a lot of dogs in Australia that are short in the 
under chest and as a consequence show a distinct as opposed 
to moderate tuck up. See photo

This is caused by a reduction in the length of the ascending 
ribs and except in extreme cases and contrary to popular 
belief is not associated with a rise in the vertebrae of the back. 
Excessive tuck up assists in the fl exing of the back during the 
gallop. This is OK for a short distance fast sprinter but not a 
long distance trotter because it gives a reduced area for the 
lung and heart. It also shifts the centre of gravity forward. The 
impediment to the dog of a short underchest is something 
that can only be demonstrated after very lengthy gaiting like a 
long day’s work in the fi eld where long distance trotting and 
endurance is more important than short distance high speed 
galloping

 

But the dog in question has very good under chest length, so undesirable tuck up does not upply here.

Ibrahim, I take exception with Mr. donald, whoever he might be. Again, the length of sternum (under chest) has little to nothing to do with the tuck up of the abdomen. I think some of these "judges" say things that have no bearing in fact, in order to explan something they don't truely understand.
Again, take a look at the structure of a Racing greyhound. Do not use the show greyhound as an example, because they do not even resemble the racing dogs of the "same" breed.
Look at dogs that make a living working live stock or hunting. Look at a working Black mouth cur, for example. I am flabbergasted at some of the remarks "judges" make...no wonder the breed is mainly a physical mess.

BTw, Ibrahim, nothing wrong with your English. Syntax is complex and even English speaking persons have a problem making clear what they are thinking. ;-)