Interest in knowing about V Bruno vom Wallensener Hof - Page 3

I found the video to be somewhat revealing per the dogs character. On the table, it would have been helpful to have seen the dog given a bite. Seeing all the foaming at the mouth and backing up, it would have been pleasantly surprising if the dog hit with any conviction. On the field, he just looked like so many other sport dogs....the guarding looked more like he was waiting for his food bowel to be set in front of him, rather than "guarding the bad guy".

He's pretty if one admires show dog looks.

One more observation; all that posturing on the table while the helper was presenting minimal pressure, could be the result of terrible training. Chances are, nobody will ever know. But he looked a nervous wreck. Reminded me of the wild rabbit yesterday which got into my empty kennel and yard. It couldn't get through the fence and I was between it and the open gate. Poor thing was in a panic trying to get out, while I was standing quietly at least forty feet away. The rabbit was bouncing off the fence, so I walked quietly along the fence, keeping about forty feet between us. When the space between the gate and rabbit was clear, it ran in a bee line the seventy feet to the open gate and to safety. That's what the dog on the table looked like he was hankering for...the open gate and safety.

The table is a great training tool, but if not used correctly it can cause problems that can look like this dog BUT I still think weak nerves is was is causing this dog to back up like he does. That is what a video can't tell me.

I'm with Paul on the table work, I would want to work this dog myself.    I would start the table session without a sleeve and in a defensive reaction way, to guage his threshold, then see if the dog can stand his ground or looks to find an escape.     What I saw in the video is the helper with the sleeve on, frontal to the dog, and the dog with a lot of "nervous energy" foot dancing and snapping/bluffing.    Like the dog is trying to bluff the threat - but in this case the threat is presenting the sleeve up front and the dog still is reacting in a fight/flight mode.    The only thing really moving from the helper is the stick/whip, and my guess is that prior to the video being taken, the dog took several whip stings to the feet.     Consequently, I cannot really tell from the table part if the dog is actually tapping his feet because he is concerned about getting them whipped, or if he's about to bail, or if he is weak-nerved.     The rest of the video is pretty much standard sport fare, the dog bites, grip is not bad, he outs well, but he looks at the sleeve rather than the man when guarding.   If this is a reflection of his nerve or training, it's hard to tell.    That is why I would test the dog myself to really know.

One thing I do on the table is lengthen the chain where the dog is forced to have a loose line to train the hold and bark. If he goes to the end of the chain, he falls off and can't work. If a dog can't think through this or has week nerves he will not be able to find a confort zone and go back and forth. When you go back to a short chain and the dog does not figure this out you can have a problem like this dog. It can also happen to a dog that can not cap their drives.
I dog that is not self assured is just too much work.

Sorry Susie, if this was someones IPO dog that they where posting video of I wouldnt say garbage.  Its a stud dog that is being campaigned and based on that criteria he is garbage.  Ill say the same and have said that about some other "great" studs.  There are many nice males there is no excuse for breeding to him other then if you like his looks and do not care about temperment.  If he did not have the V rating Im betting he would be someone's pet or club level dog nothing more.
There are many dogs like him at my club and in my area.  We spend two-three years working on their grip and strike.  Coddling, helping and comforting them so they look good on the sport field make it all a game no challenge or test ever.  A good helper and trainer can do this, he looks just like they do, if it ever became serious I doubt his grip looks even half that good.

There are many puppies that look stronger on the table then he does with MORE pressure.  We need to demand more from breeding stock especially males.  

If I posted a vid of my male stud looking like that on the table I hope you would call it garbage.  He did not get sold to Australia where there are very few working people because he is great or even good.  
 

Sorry, Haz, but I´d never call a dog "garbage" - I stepped in because I don´t like these terms.
There are better ways to speak one´s mind, and in case I don´t know the dog in question  judging about nerves and temperament is more than debatable.
 

I'll have him!!!!

lol @ Mrdarcy!