Javir - the necromancer; make this make sense - Page 3

the logic of  nominating a line 1-6 by tracing back the father line to the founding sire is peculiar, so if the original sire was bred to another line and subsequent progeny were theoretically crossed back and forth to evry other line for the next hundred years as is prolly more common than staying in a line then you would still claim that the 30'th generation dog still belongs to line of founding male on father line which is what breeders i could name claim is the case.

i know of no other dog breed or any other species of animal that would have this convention and anyways what is the significance of it as far as inheriting traits, outside of GSD world many great breeders do not put much stock on what is way back as the emphasis on your pup will be overwhelimingly influenced by what is up close, ie the further back especially in an open ped the less effect on the progeny on the ground today.

why is the dam line of no significance in nominating the line 1 - 6, dam line could be outcrossed a bazillion times and yet you will ignore this in nominating the line 1-6, WTF?

the 6  line theoryof going back to a single founding male on the sire line is not promoted by very many good gsd breeders i know but emphatically promoted by what seems a minority, to me it hints of marketting BS unless of course the line's genetic integrity has been fiercely maintained thru heavy in-breeding for now over a hundred years.

as a nother thought i think if what ibrahim says is true then anyone outside the GSD world would use his "uniqueness" not to breed him widely as if he is genuinely the last unique genotype breeding him widely would be the last straw and then there would be eventually zero diversity as evry line would be in evry other line would it not?

also it is surely BS to use terminolgy such as bringing back an extinct line - please expalin that.

why do not javir's siblings get the same rap, they have the same genotype essentially (not claiming they are genetic clones) but they have the same ped as javir so why are they absent in the discussion of this uniqueness when they are the same ped?
 

That is a excellent post and has credit and value. Just so I wouldn't be misunderstood, he is unique in the sense his sire line does not go back to Hettel as almost all GSDs do. Other than that as for the effect or difference he could make for work gene pool, I have no made up mind on that, I listen.

But for the showline, probably we could have made better use of him, as well as few more proven work GSDs that have very good conformation. I will say it again, he is Unique in the sense his " bloodline" is different. Is that of much significance?, I would love to learn from members thoughts, is the blood lines concept valid? I can hear vk4gsd reasoning.

Ibrahim

to clarify for the innocent bystanders - GSD world have two meaning for the word blood-line, the first is the 1-6 as elucidated by ibrahim and the second meaning is the construction os a kennel's own line which may or may not fall in the 1-6 line convention.

the better breeders will be distinguished by establishing their own line which impies essentially inbreeding, the lesser but better known breeders will just stack their peds with famous stud after famous stud with no thought to a breeding program other than the fact that most newbs only want a ped full of famous dogs to brag about - and that sells puppies = $ for all the lesser breeders. both good and bad dogs can emerge from either approach, such is biology.
 

I wish the like option was still available, thanks vk4gsd for sharing your knowledge and thoughts, educative thread.