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Bhaugh

by Bhaugh on 18 September 2013 - 22:09

Some are stuck on the neuter aspect. Post a pedigree and give examples of what the dog is doing that is aggressive. Neutering wont change genetics. Training might squash it a bit but it wont change it either. Although I support neutering among the neuter haters, if this is genetics then I wouldn't waste time or money. Sell the dog to someone who is looking for just that. I would question why you neuter all your dogs before placement.

Barb

yellowrose of Texas

by yellowrose of Texas on 29 September 2013 - 18:09

My experience with my Orthos V Tiekerhook son was  no neutering will stop the aggressive especially with lines that are bred so closely . The Orthos son was not close but most of that line recently are,

ONE OF  Austins pups was neutered by a man who would not listen to me to take him down a "notch or two" he quoted to me.

I had already told him, Leave what GOD gave this pup and that is the will to drive and to have the brains to be TRAINED WHEN   to OUT.

The mans Vet told him neutering would help the aggression problem....ha ha ha
Vet knew nothing about a TIEKERHOOK bloodline

YR


 

jc.carroll

by jc.carroll on 29 September 2013 - 22:09

Admittedly, I'm very pro-neuter in many circumstances, but like others have said:

This is most likely a training, temperament, or genetic issue, and NEUTERING will not solve this behavior. If the behavior is testosterone-based, neutering might reduce it if it hasn't become habit, but the odds are that the behavior is already becoming rote, so behavioral modification is a must.

 In my experience and opinion, altering a pet to change behavior is almost pointless; and the worst reason to spay/neuter. My males, who have been neutered at no earlier than 2yrs have had NO change in personality. They continued with normal male behaviors like mounting, and in one embarrassing case a successfully tie with a receptive female. I have also known more than a handful of strong and reactive dogs who have been neutered prior to 2yrs, and continued to show the undesirable behaviors that lead their owners to consider neutering in the first place. 

Neutering doesn't change genetics or nature.​




 

Prager

by Prager on 30 September 2013 - 08:09

Train the dog. If you  do detection then you will lose some drive or allot of drive or even all the drive to perform such detection.  
 There is nothing wrong to ask questions but since you did ask  I would wipe the chip off your shoulder if I would be you. That is since you are asking ( and you other comments) are indication that  you do not know what you are doing or you would not ask nor made such comments.   If your dog has animal aggression or is overly protective then you need to train the dog in obedience through +/- method through which you establish leadership position. That is the only way to control such behavior effectively.  If you do not want use +/-,  then you need different dog or better yet different breed.  By the way to neuter or "cut" " all your working dogs as a rule" indicate that you should reevaluate your approach to your training approach and your needs in dogs.

by k9ulf on 30 September 2013 - 12:09

Why not pulling his teeth out as well, just to be on the safe side. You can always feed soup.

yellowrose of Texas

by yellowrose of Texas on 01 October 2013 - 19:10

K9gulf:  can I sign you up for a Seminar in Texas at next vacancy in DOG OWNER  TO DO and NOT TO DO's  ?LOL
Thumbs Up
YR

by Nedev385 on 02 October 2013 - 05:10

Aggressive dog 2 years is normal, especially if it works.He is full of energy (he was a teenager).I do not recommend castration.The problem will be solved with more basic obedience and more control.Affect and work you  his psyche,a little nibble work.Wait 1 more year dog will be normalized and will be mature.Regards.

steve1

by steve1 on 02 October 2013 - 09:10

I was not going to be drawn into a post like yours but as i read them through one thing seems to stand out and that is you the OP who perhaps needs to be neutered and not the Dog who,s problem if there is one can be solved by a decent handler who knows what they are doing. and to what you may see or find as aggressive in a dog say for instance i and others may not.
However you yourself is certainly showing signs of being aggressive towards some of the posters trying to advise you, so perhaps being neutered may be of some help to you. On a lighter note if the Dog was Cut then its days of working in the Sport of IPO are over. Well certainly they are in Belgium
Steve1

by Jeffs on 02 October 2013 - 10:10

A trainer that I know tells the story of a person asking her to recommend a Vet who would remove her dog's canines.  The dog was aggressive towards another dog. The owner needed a recommendation because her vet wouldn't do it.

Besides, filing down the teeth so they are flat is much easier.

yellowrose of Texas

by yellowrose of Texas on 02 October 2013 - 13:10

Jeffs:  Nothing would surprise me in todays world of weird and Quick solutions to real life situations that some vet would now recommend that you DO remove the canines of a dog that bites as a preventative

WHY NOT    ????  DO NOT cat owners DECLAW their felines for home prevention of furniture ruination?

Do not skunk owners descent skunks to  make them pets?

Do not be surprised if removing DOGS TEETH is next as safe way of the BITE aggression

YR
 





 


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