What breed? - Page 3

by Jenni78 on 05 September 2013 - 20:19

Jenni78 Posts: 5829 Joined: Sun Sep 24, 2006 03:24 pm

If that dog's a Staffy Bull, then I'm a gremlin. Looks like a BYB AmStaff. AmStaffs must have black noses. The build is not correct for either a proper APBT or a Staffy Bull. Here's an example of 2 Staffordshire Bull Terriers. http://www.freewebs.com/jewelstaff/judging.htm I looked for one when I was buying my bf's APBT but they're hard to find so I ended up giving up and just getting another APBT.  These days anything that isn't a Lab, Golden, or GSD is a "Pit Bull." You really can't pay any attention to what people say. People asked if my APBT was a Weimaraner when he was little, just because he had blue eyes and floppy ears...y

As I said, CMills, looks like a BYB AmStaff, as AmStaffs, according to the standard, must have black noses. Your dog not having a black nose is just the same as a liver GSD- is it a GSD? Sure, technically. Is it correct? No. That's probably why you were sold the dog- it would be DQ'd from the ring for its unacceptable nose. Here is the standard and also a good, brief explanation of the differences in breeds. http://cromcruaichkennel.jimdo.com/breed-standard/

The American Kennel Club's Am staff standard doesn't address pigmentation, does it?

It looks like we are more concerned about this dog than the OP?

Never mind, I see that now....black pigment. Duh,,,,,,,,

The AKC breed standard for Am Staffs allows for alot of colors, including blues, blue fawns, and blue/whites. ALL these would have blue noses, not black noses on a blue pigmented dog. It would be the same as saying you have a liver/tan GSD with a black nose. I NEVER said my blue male was show quality, or a show dog, merely that I've seen alot of blues in the AKC show ring with blue pigment, they were NOT DQ'ed. Just FYI

If you do a google search on blue Ch Am staffs, you will see plenty of blues with BLUE noses finished AKC champs, or AKC pointed, so they definitely are not DQ'ed for having blue noses/pigment.

I didn't mean DQ'd like asked to leave the actual ring; I was saying if a breeder has a litter of mostly correct pups for show, they'd naturally DQ the ones w/blue noses and put them in pet homes and save the correctly pigmented ones for themselves or show homes. DQ was a poor choice of acronym. Sorry. 

Yeah, yeah, I know blue is a trendy AmStaff color these days. And I know judges will often put a ribbon on something that isn't actually "correct" per the standard. People like blue dogs, for whatever reason, so people breed them. Period. The standard is the standard and still says "nose is definitely black." I stand by my "BYB AmStaff" label. The dog's coloration and conformation are not correct, but they're definitely not APBT correct, either. Body is much closer to AmStaff than APBT imo.