Bullinger Thread Disappeared? - Page 3

Again, let me stress that this was not intended as an attack on one particular breeder. It does raise an number of interesting questions though, doesn't it ? What qualifies success? Is it the number of pups born out of a particular stud ? Is the most successful kennel the one who has the highest public profile or is it the one who quietly and consistently produces a small number of outstanding pups year after year ? I often wonder if a show kennel which owns a dog with several high profile titles does so at the expense of other, less valuable dogs, studs, pups and bitches who are in their care as well. Is it feasible to expect any owner to produce and maintain a champion while adequately meeting the needs of perhaps 60 other dogs which it is responsible for on a daily basis ? Is the community itself setting a winning standard so out of reach that breeders feel compelled to go to extremes ? It would appear that there are breeder-show kennels who continue to breed and breed and breed in hopes that out of 10 litters, one will produce the next champion. What happens when the litters aren't of even pet quality, much less show ?

I'm with you there 8isnotenough, you have seen my point. My own thoughts are that the show scene, here and in Germany, rewards those with the largest pocket books. Bullinger did not have a lot of success in the US nationals (yes, in Canada) until the backer came along and bought VA dogs out of Germany and then they made the big time in the US. But the bread and butter of an operation depending on the number of puppies it is able to sell in a given year, I just can't get along with that. There are puppy mills and there are high-class puppy mills!

Debby you have been in Canada to see the breeder and it was an outstanding facility the GSDs have been well taken care of.That is good to hear.As I stated the first time around before the disappear act I had no beef with the Bullinger do not know them.My beef was with a kennel here in Viginia and my statments where legit because I reported it to AKC and action where taken so I am keeping an eye on portraying a super kennel breeder who is suppose to love the GSDs and not the Money but for upgrading the German Shepherds offspring (those for whom one is an ancestor)so to excel on a higher level the parents, grandparents, greatgrandparents or let say seven generations.I guess that covers it.So the meaning is from my side do breed but do it right or get out. Are we not suppose to breed the GSDs to a higher degree?I know I am not wrong in that.Remember no beef with Bullinger Oli so do not cut me of unless you can write me why I am not allowed to write it here please e-mail me I have it on my profile go for it I will answere you.

And by the way I am a breeder as my hobby so I have two litters a year and I am very selective who to get as a stud I fly to the country to meet the breeder and his STUD to see if he is what I want my female to dance the tango with and have some of the best from both of them.I never have any problems to sell my pups because the word by mounth has put on the map.

My personal opinion is that one cannot qualify as personally successful if it is 'success by association'. If I purchase the rights to all of the deceased John Lennon's music, I do not become a successful musican. I have not earned his place in music history. I am the gate through which you must go to rightfully use his music, liscenses, likeness, and so forth. I am the person everyone, everywhere oohs and ahhs over in hopes that they too will be granted a piece of my fortune , gained by association. I do not become a success in my own right until I have written, produced, and published my own music and received critical acclaim for my work. If my own stuff doesn't make the grade, well, you get the picture. My appetite for recognition and fame has been whetted though. I then buy the rights to anothers success. Unless a kennel has a large staff coming and going on a regular basis, with that same staff having access to the entire facility, how does anyone know what standards are or are not being met ? Seeing one or two, or even 20 animals in a public setting over a decade or two does not account for the larger population not being made visible to the general population. Who are breeders and kennels accountable too, if not eachother ? I would be loathe to think that the industry could be founded on a premise such as ,"If people don't know, it doesn't matter."

All three are one? MPD? Similar syntax may suggest so.

Exaggerated effort to mimic anothers syntax is a common usent tactic employed to disguise ones own identity while casting doubt on anothers credibility. I already stated that admin is more than welcome to request my personal contact info and do what is required to substantiate my claim that I am not a multiple user hidden behind a proxy.

Does anybody know where kathy/elizabeth/troll/etc is? Let me get this straight: You don't agree with the internal business practices of a breeder (how many pups, etc) You don't know how many people she employs as staff or anything else about her business. And, this is a breeder who does title her dogs and competes with them and regularly shows up at shows and events with her dogs. You question why she's selling several dogs at the same time even though her website explains it. But you want to come on a board and agree with trash talk because.....? Oh, yeah, you've HEARD that some of her dogs were in crates from someone (who?) that went there. Does this person know how long the dogs were in their crates? What are the crating practices? Do her dogs show any effect from being crated abusively? Do we have a record of complaints about the Bullinger dogs? No, but let's go bash anyway and postulate theories and INVENT arguments as to why this breeder is deserving of criticism. You've got to be kidding coming on a public forum with such B.S.!

OldNewGuyMC: Please read through my posts on this matter before venturing a guess as too my motives. I never claimed to know anything about this kennels practises. I have not passed judgement, publicly or otherwise, as too the quality of the program at Bullinger Shepherds. I was genuinely interested as to why so many dogs were available. Anything I *know* about kennels, breeders, and showing is from what I have read. I have no personal experience with those parts of the industry. I am the owner of a GSD bitch obtained through rescue. She is a senior who is well past working age. I plan on returning to work after an extended (ok, eight year, lol) maternity leave. My job is suited to bringing an animal companion into the workplace. My bitch's health makes her unable to accompany me on a regular basis. I was seeking a dog between 18-24 months, with a minimum SchH2, handler responsive, and close enough that I could visit the dog at his kennel too observe temperment and living conditions. That is why I was inquiring about this kennel. If you look at one of my first posts, you will see that my email address is through Shaw.ca. Shaw is a Canadian ISP, operating in BC and Alberta. In order to have a Shaw account you must be actively subscribed to their internet service. You need a credit card and verifiable address within their service area. You can't sign up from anywhere without ID ala. Hotmail or Yahoo. I don't know who the other users you referred to are. I hope that this information helps to eliminate my inquiries as being suspect.

Why dont u ask Tracey that question???????????You have not even been in contact with her,,,,,,,I personally talked to her this morning and she called me and emailed me......Ur starting trouble and concern for no reason...nobody here works for her or can answer for her...are u not able to read....ask Tracy ....Yes the larger kennel have a lot of people on staff and are quite large with the results in the breed survey list and the kennel awards list...there are a few people in the dog world that have very high goals of being the number one Kennel and producing dogs that win the award every year. She and Jane Steffenhagen are two such women .. they are the only two I know personally......so I cant speak for any others.......they are not breeders , they are Professional Breeders with ackalaids galore along with Mittlewest and many others....get out the Schutzhund and the books that prove it.......Ask Tracey,,,,