Training a dog vs. 'training' a child - Page 3

Yes like the Chesepeke Bay REtriever and Aussie that came charging out at us a couple of days ago and I mean charging;  girl hallering "they are friendly"  and bellowing their names as they kept coming.  Off leash;  scarey;  hubs had to use his feet to keep them back as his hands were full with our boy.    Those are the ones that are usually NOT friendly and who the hell wants to find out that way.  We have had some dog attacks in our area so people are really upset and  don't want loose dogs in our area at all.  Stupidity.  YES>  Nan

I see a huge difference between my 2 boys who grew up with working dogs and my step daughter who had never had a dog until a few years ago at her mother's house. She is allowed to beat up and abuse that poor dog.. her mother thinks its funny and really doesn't care. She has a very difficult time understanding that if she were to treat our dogs like that, they will bite her. She is not allowed to work or play with our dogs for this reason. It always goes back to "well MY mom lets me do that to Donna" etc... really pisses me off. My boys would NEVER treat an animal the way she does, and they respect the power behind these animals. My step daughter is no longer allowed to go to any trials with us or club training, interact with even the house dogs or cats because she literally does not care. My younger boy (age 10) has no problem handling and working any of our dogs. Until SOME parents wake up and get a clue, dogs are off limits. I hate it that I have to admit that one of my own is the reason I don't let any children near the dogs (there are, of course exceptions to the rule, if I come across a particularly well behaved child).

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And yes I agree there are exceptions; the hubs taught and trained a very top junior handler from age 10 years old to thru 18 when they have to move on out of the junior handling segments and handle for real which "our" special junior girl did.  Very successfully is handling on her own now many different breeds;  we are extremely proud of her and she started at the age of 10 years old with one of our puppies.  Also was raised with other dogs, horses and is just simply an animal lover and it has brought her a fantastic opportunity for a lifetime.  BUT she is an exception to the rule also as your boys are Melba.   She was somewhat of a withdrawn younger child and those animals brought her comfort and also brought her out of her shell so to speak.  Animals can be very healing to children also as well as comfort and can help to develop social skills.  All this was done  under the  attention of her parents guidance.  Enough said.  Nan

Nan, there is stupidity on this thread, and you keep spreading it with your ignorance. You obviously have no clue about babies or the travails of the modern mother. Calling a toddler a "serial killer" because he "pinched" or slapped the pup. Disgusting, really.

rtdmmcintyre has the right approach, IMHO. It is a judgment call when you allow a stranger to come into your space, whether you are holding the leash to an animal, or not. Everyone must be considered as individual, and it is incredibly naive to think different. It was only Uschirun's inexperience and politeness that caused her to be taken by surprise. I certainly was not surprised by anything she wrote.

And Blitzen makes a rather obvious point, that no petting allowed is the sure way to avoid a dog bite lawsuit. It is always an option, and with some dogs, the only option. However, this is a puppy being discussed, so there is that difference, too. 

The problem for some, but not myself, LOL, is I take charge of the situation from the very beginning. I don't assume a toddler knows squat, and certainly knows nothing about my animal. I can empathize with a mother of more than one child, and believe me, the dynamics change with each addition. If they don't follow my rules, then, well, time out and goodbye. What the other mom does, she does on her time with her own pup. Pretty simple. Perhaps some on here overlooked how, Uschirun described the mom with three kids as "nice" as her first impression. Now she's being picked apart and if it were up to Paul Garrison, I imagine he'd recommend having her tubes tied. I've heard this attitude on this board countless times, I expected it, too. 

​When I didn't have children it was easy for me to look down and criticize, how other people parent. For instance, I used to criticize Moms, and wonder why they would wait in a long line at the bank window, sitting in their cars, idling and wasting gas instead of getting out and walking inside. In my head I called them "lazy and stupid." 

Until I had a kid of my own. I am not going to waste too much more effort to explain this to Know it All's With Out Kids on this thread. Perfect waste of time because those types generally are all about making themselves feel superior because they don't have kids.

Oh dear, I have more, as my time is up at the moment, and I certainly could go on, but really, I ask, why should I bother?


 

Beetree

Stop reading into things,  you are not that smart. You say more crap and start more crap then what come out of the leach field of a septic system. Your insults to others show who you really are. IF NANS spreads stupidity and ignorance I did not notice because of the shit you are saying.

Paul you don't impress me either, talking  such bull shit.

Same here Blitzen and Rdm   I have always kept  my gsd to the left of me and I watch carefully in public and say ,,no thanks, but I would not like your child to come any closer..my DOGS are my life and joy and I do not know your Child nor does my GSD know you or your child...>>>they usually back off...I do not let a lot of adults pet my dogs either....Same reason..I can immediately type the people who come up to talk or  show me immediately they HAVE NO DOG MANNERS or skills..IT takes  almost a degree in HUMAN RESOURCES to type people and children when you own and breed GSD>

I agree.THAT  a big, big percentage of Children have no knowledge of how to ACT  or Approach a dog and should not in the first place..You never go up and kiss a strange man do you ::?  OR do men kiss Strange women ?

 A woman would react with a QUICK slap in the face to any man who did and a GSD is the same quick behaviour pattern and reaction...YOU just invaded the gsd's territorial protection circle and the result could be a disaster..no matter how socialized or titled or how great a Breed line you have..Instinct over rules NICENESS..in the dogs world.

I think they use to sell Leashes for kids back when,  did  they not??
Might  be a good Idea to bring them back...lol

Bee:  My 6 week old pups would tear both eyes out of you if you stuck your face down in their box...I had mops to test them at 5 weeks old and if the pup could not hold on and be swung and not let go...then that pup was considered a PET...Pups can grab you in a heart beat and do lots of dangerous tearing of skin..PUPS are not disciplined and working lines are not going to wait to see if that CHILD is another pup or a TIGER attacking..IT works off of INSTINCTUAL reactions...you grab a pup and it will immediately react and those teeth and that jaw are very strong at 8 weeks old...I and most of the breeders here have imprinted out pups at 8 to 12 weeks old and Obedience is not geared to strange children grabbing the tail ,  mane or any part of them...

YOU cannot tell what a pup is by seeing it at petsmart or in the park....or walking down the street .  I have been bit , grabbed and bit in most places you do not want by 4 month old pups and up...THEY are geared to BITE..and you cannot control it...unless you carry a muzzle and have it on a pup...they can do a lot of damage and it is the NATURAL INSTINCT FOR THEM TO BITE ANYTHING THAT MOVES OR  especially touches that pup in an agressive way which is what KIDS DO>>they do it to their playmates....but dogs teeth are not a hand of their siblings or their play mates...A BIG DIFFERENCE>

YR

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Yr
 

I have 2 kids, both were born when I owned 2 dogs. I was a pet person at the time, but still didn't expect the dogs to endure abuse from either of them. When they reached 4, 5 years, I told them what I was told growing up - now .... what  you do to the dogs I do to you. Before that I always supervised their interaction with the dogs and taught them the right way to pet and play with them. 

 I would refuse strangers to pet a puppy not only because there would still be the chance that the puppy could nip or scratch, but I prefer to limit  my puppies' experiences with people to positive situations, not exposed to an undisciplined child with a permissive parent. Maybe it wouldn't be a big deal if a kid did that to a puppy, but I wouldn't  be willing to take that chance. I tend to err on the side of caution with my dogs

I feel that you DO need to protect your dogs in the eye of the public and from the public.  We were training in HOme Depot one day and this man was totally nasty about NOT being able to pet the dog we were working with;  he's like "these dogs are supposed to be friendly, I have had these dogs for a lot of years, and blah, blah, blah." Totally miffed he could not touch the dog.  Exactly the type a--hole you do not want to approach your dog.  This was not a GSD but a young male that was just learning and very overwhelmed;  we felt we had to protect him from taking any more stress on.  Just quiet watching is all we wanted, not a bunch of people especially kids grabbing and slobbering and petting.  Have not been back to HD for training since, moved to another location and worked in back of the store.    Nan