Sheeple 101 - Page 3

Watched an interesting presentation a few weeks back, part of which looked at whether having other people raise one's pre-kindergarten age children might be playing a significant role in creating individuals who learn to suppress pain, fear, sorrow and/or anger rather than choosing to seek help from others, resulting in adolescents who internalize until there's finally a psychological eruption that manifests in mass displays of violence. 

They presented a very good argument for that theory, frankly.  Regardless of how warm, loving and nurturing the au pair, nanny, day care worker or pre-school teacher is, they cannot replace someone who is known to the child as a family member when it comes to providing solace, comfort, strength or soothing to a normal child.  When those are the ones who are charged with providing the majority of such interactions, and the parents [especially the mother figure of the group the child recognizes as it's family] or other family members are only involved around 6 hours out of a day [since 7-8 hours/day will be lost to the child's sleep time], it shouldn't surprise us to find that the practice has adversely affected the psychological 'wiring' of an above-average percentage of the last few generations of kids.

I think I saw what your talking about also.

And very relevant in my opinion, who raises children.

I don't think a pop tart is very dangerous, but I do think that the adults in charge creating such a huge issue of it, is. Perhaps the adults in this instance have been adversely affected by being raised with a baby sitter or day care? They certainly didn't show much in the way of reasoning power.

I think the adults in this instance are freaked out because we all know that at this point in time, in this world, there really is no longer ANYPLACE we can rely on as a safe place for the kids...and yet parents do still expect the schools to keep their kids safe while in their care.  It's not unreasonable for the parents to expect that, it's simply not something that can be taken as a given anymore, and in this instance, the adults quite simply lost their shit, to put it bluntly.  Yeah, it was a serious over-reaction, and it appears that efforts are being made to establish some reasonable guidelines for the schools to follow, and which will also hopefully relieve school administrations and school boards of their fears that they'll be sued if they don't have a zero-tolerance policy for anything that could even remotely be considered inappropriate or threatening behavior. 

As for the other kids in the school being offered counseling, though, that's a tricky call to make,  I don't know any of the kids there, so I can't say whether they were traumatized by the boy pointing his 'tart-gun' at another kid and saying, 'bang-bang'. I don't know if any of those kids have any ties to the Sandy Hook shooting, or some other event of that type, or if the kids are still hyper-aware of what happened at Sandy Hook.  Is the counseling necessary?  The only ones who can really answer that with any certainty are the kids themselves; I'd much rather there be counseling resources readily available, and have none of the kids needs it, then have so much as a single kid who needs it [even if what troubles them is the suspension, and not the 'pastry gun'] and doesn't have access to the help. 

Hexe, very well-reasoned, as ever. And Thank You.  That last point had
not occurred to me, but it seems an excellent one, now you have mentioned
it.

Take the kid out of kids...that's why all the psych drugs. Keep 'em still.

Joanro, your post made me think of the saying, "Children should be seen and not heard." So I googled it and found it goes back to the 14th century and refers specifically to a young "mayde", and what would make her a good marriage prospect. It was later morphed to the current meaning, that a well mannered and disciplined child should be quiet and respectful when in adult company situations, like a dinner party. There seems to be a lot of anger against modern parents, and very little appreciation for the difficulties that just didn't exist the generation before, and that these modern parents are forced to confront and essentially, are making and learning from their mistakes, for all of us. Our culture on the whole, needs to understand and learn from this, IMHO. 

I know children who are on meds for ADHD, and the truth is, they are much happier for it, because it was a correct diagnosis. I think there probably are misdiagnosis and some parents do expect a "pill" to be their parenting for them. However, if you know any of these parents like I do, they mostly are concerned for doing the right thing by their children. I learned a long time ago, one simply can not tell other people how to raise their children, or their dogs.

Hexe, in the case of parenting a pre-schooler by others who are not a parent, I wonder how does one define an adoptive parent with this theory, hmm? Also, I am always leery about theories that end up "blaming the mother", it is all too common and too easy for this to lead into something else! 

As a comparison, I think the priviledge classes of most cultures have had infant childrearing help, beginning with wet-nurses throughout civilized history, so I think a child's healthy psychological, mental-well being,  has to do more with the quality of the nurturing time by the biological parent(s), mothers in particular it would seem, but really I don't think gender matters as much, but the interactive, quality of the care and not merely the hours spent in a same room. FWIW

 

Bee, I'm not suggesting kids should act like idiots. But if you're good with all drugs so liberally administered nowadays, and over reacting adults, you most likely represent the majority of present day parents. It doesn't take a lot of imagination to see where this society is heading. Ever hear the song, 'In the Year Twenty Five Twenty Five' ?

Seems like the present generation is the one blowing people away. Didn't happen forty years ago, and kids actually played with toy guns, that made their own bang. They were called cap guns. Kids didn't start murdering sprees until the era of psych drugs.

"But if you're good with all drugs so liberally administered nowadays, and over reacting adults, you most likely represent the majority of present day parents."

Joanro, your above quote draws a totally incorrect supposition, and therefore an entirely erroneous conclusion. You do that all the time. I could however represent the majority of present day parents, but not for the reasons you state. Always trying to paint me in a negative light, yes, it gets tiresome.