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Don't worry Prager, I don't think it is any secret that the owner of the Lornaville affix in UK is called Roy Brandon and there are two pedigrees of epileptic dogs from Lornaville breeding with multiple lines to an acknowledged epileptic on another thread on this board, so I don't think that's a secret either.

Margaret N-J

I think Hans is right, nonetheless;  the sales methods allegedly used
by the 'Mr Brandon' cited do no credit to a 'successful'  breeder, so if it is
Roy Brandon, he has even more to answer for than is already public
knowledge.

Really hope the OP hasn't caused further anguish to TruckinDog by starting
the thred and getting folk to join in. 

Prayer, if you look at pedigree on this database of Lornaville Her Ladyship you will find many sires that are known to produce epilepsy.  Only one animal is needed to confirm the situation and lead to other cases.

Mackenzie

Poster your basing 30 years of shepherds on basically the poor ethics of one breeder. Too bad really. A person's ethics do not come from the dogs, it comes from the person themself and the decisions that person makes whether to breed dogs known to have genetic defects. But nothing anyone says here will change your mind. So I'm not going to try.

I do happen to agree with vk4gsd and what was said. The good ethical breeders are out there but few and far between I'm finding myself. My only saving grace is that Ive been in dogs for awhile and by the grace of God others have come forward to help me avoid the booby traps of some people. The average Joe who has little to no experience wouldnt have much of a chance. I hear all the time people get sucked in to buy a $2500+  puppy from a show line only to have the dog be a glorified pet. Ive talked to a few and when I walk off then "Boy were they taken".

I'm finding alot of people asking for prices well over 2k+ with no genetic testing. No prelim hips nothing. Most have told me I can pay for it if I want it. Since when did it get so crazy about the money/bloodlines that the basics of selling the dog goes right out the window? I guess I'm just too old school.

A family can pool their money and buy what ever pedigree that they want breed them and pay someone to title the dogs and go from their. next thing you know is some of the family members have become vetrinarians,behavorists,and dog experts. All it takes is time,education,and lot's of fortitude. It's the Human way the begining of a great journey starts with the first steps.

BHaugh,  I am not basing thirty years of dogs on the ethics of one breeder because there are quite few others who have followed the same path.  Epilepsy did not start and finish with these dogs and, now, it is impossible to say with any certainty how far forward the disease has bred on.  A current VA male has some of these dogs behind him.   Any responsible breeder would not continually inbreed on any bloodline where epilepsy is known to be in the line in the numbers that are in the dog that I have used here as an example.   The only thing that you are right about is you cannot change my opinion which also held by many responsible breeders.

Mackenzie

As far as I am concerned the buyer who is buying from the same breeder over and over and over (3x) and then blame the breeder is just  as much , nay  more at fault of promoting this type of a breeding and breeder as the breeder  him self. It is not only that  only crazy person does the same thing and expects different results, but also because you need to vote with your dollar for the right type of a breeder and dog. That then leads such breeder to breed better dogs or succumb. 
I think the person/(buyer)  who initiated this thread should be upset mainly with himself and not to look to blame the others ( regardless how bad they are)  for his not so intelligent choices and thus letting himself mentally off the hook.  If people like this buyer would stop enabling such breeder of epileptic dogs  and  not buy repeatedly or at all then the breeder like that would cease to exist. 
It is called common sense, due dilligence and personal responsiblity .