UGH Too Human Friendly? - Page 3

well put destiny4u ...................................  a good point to show !

  Fawn:

  GREG is correct...friendly at YOUR PUPS AGE is no problem..YOU want that.


   BEAU is older much older and you want your dog to start to just greet and be nice and not jump all over others for kisses and petting. I do not use the word ALOOF...I use suspicious...of CONCERNING> I do not want the trait  ALOOF in any shepherd of mine . THAT Kind of pup is not my desire of a worthy pup .

  IT will come with age and your obedience training so let pup be friendly..YOU reading of Schutzhund books will show you how we do the BH and the IPO routines and your dog has to be of a mind set to be friendly to judge and all around and on the field to other dogs too..DOG friendly is very important so work on that tooo...

 KEEP your pup friendly...but tell anyone who asks  YES OR NO you may pet my pup. I limit who does and who does not
  MY dog my pup and I make that choice.
 
  NO other reason given.. I do not like people who take liberties without asking FIRST> so NO is the answer.

 OLDER dogs NO period.  MINE are social but just let one scrap of a toenail or tooth and your word against theirs can bring you grief..

 GSD like any protection animal or sport animal have high drives and when strangers approach even a pup, it is wise to say , first let me sit my pup...then you can pet..


jmo
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I would not correct puppy at all.
i have 2 year old and 6 month old. My 2 years old when was a puppy, he was very friendly to all ppl, but today he is more protective.
6 month old girl she is also friendly and i am not correcting her, just not letting ppl to feed her, as well as to pet her, just be a neatral to her.
I think with the age Dogs will be more protective.

peace

A GSD puppy should be social and friendly.  I personally suggest you don't want to see an aloof or asocial puppy.  I think this can actually cause problems in the adult dog.  I have two dogs that both have behavioral problems that are genetic in nature.  The first was a very aloof puppy, not agressive but had no interest in strangers.  There was no fear at all.  He has very pronounced genetic stranger aggression and is reactive ....not what you want.  He is a lose cannon.  The second was reserved, but he is now the shyest GSD I've ever met. 

If a puppy isn't social and doesn't have opportunities to meet people, he can't know what is right and wrong or what to protect from.  If you don't allow him these opportunities, you risk problems ahead.  Aloofness comes with age and maturity. 

My two current puppies are social and I encourage interactions.  I know aloofness will come, and I want them to have all the experience and knowledge to prepare them for maturity.

Ah I get it. Ok. IPO/protection is new to me. I was thinking I wanted a more weary puppy naturally for this. I understand now my error. --------- As for me making the decision who pets and when, yes, I am already doing that. I also make sure the puppy/dog sits before getting petted. To me this is natural and common sense with a large dog. (any thing the puppy does today, do I want a 85-90 lb dog doing?) Any large dog that pushes their way for petting is just asking for trouble; especially in this sue happy world. ------ As for Max (my male pup) being weary of people..... He doesn't hide, he just sits and either waits for someone to come to him or until Cirberus has made it look like so much fun, he can't stand not to be a part of it. As I said before, I know how to over come this and we are working on it. I expect that only 2 more full public trips and he will accept that all people are good and happy (this is what I want from him). I do not think he will naturally ever all out seek attention from people, but that is ok, even for a service dog. As many of you have mentioned, fear is the undesirable trait, no matter what dog you have. So far I am not seeing fear reactions from Max, but I am making sure the wearyness of people does not progress any further. ------------- thanks again for the advice.

What does your breeder say?

Chaz Dawns is the breeder. Your pups are very young just let them be puppies, as stated as they mature they will beable to sence who is good and who is bad, my 9yrs old is social and it its a pleasure when taking him out as i can relax, my 6yrs old is not so social, my 8mth old is so much like my older dog and it is great. I know from experience that both my older dogs will protect me and the family. You don't need a dog that is aloof or civil to do Schutzhund as it is just a sport. Some members on the board breed and raise pups for the real world and so are looking for different attitudes in pups. Yours is a pet first and formost.

Think of it this way.  For a pup you want to do IPO with/protection with. 

You WANT them to be free, social and indiscriminate because if he/she isn't they will not have any desire to interact with your helper. 

If the pup is weary or reserved it will inhibit the pups prey/play drive when the helper is wanting the pup to engage in a game of chase and tug.

Ok, I need to help you out here, there are two words that you should be using instead of "weary".

wear·y/ˈwi(ə)rē/

 

Adjective:

Feeling or showing tiredness, esp. as a result of excessive exertion or lack of sleep.

leer·y/ˈli(ə)rē/

 

Adjective:

Cautious or wary due to realistic suspicions: "a city leery of gang violence".

war·y/ˈwe(ə)rē/

 

Adjective:

Feeling or showing caution about possible dangers or problems: "dogs are often wary of strangers".

Hope this helps with communication for success.

Wasn't this litter bred because both parents were super friendly and outgoing and lacked temperament for protection etc etc etc? Why would you expect any less from the puppies?

Let the puppies be puppies....If you put too much obedience and control on them at such a young age and then expect them to do protection work down the road you might be dissapointed at their lack of desire/ability.