Opinions on Video - Page 3

The man needs to stop watching Cesar.


Markobytes, why do you say that? Because Cesar lets all his dogs play together?

The GSP was socialized as a young pup with the Shiloh's owner's GSD service dog. He would latch onto the GSDs tail, and be dragged along. The GSD is now deceased, but I'm not sure how long ago.

 

I said he should stop watching Cesar because his arm motions to me were a poor attempt to mimic Cesar. Cesar is very good at reading dogs and displaying proper body position. However, I have seen the results of people who have tried to mimic Cesar. We can only see what the camera shows us. I have only seen five of Cesar's episodes, but he got bit enough to draw blood in three of them. I agree with the previous poster who wondered why the man was petting his dog, he had no idea what actions he was encouraging. Combined with his attempts to stop the shepherd from biting, which could have been perceived by the pointer as an attack by the human on the shepherd. The pointer could of joined in emboldened by the owner's encouragement and direct actions in a real attack. I would not be so sure the shepherd would back down if he were fighting for his life against a human and canine foe. A lot of the shepherd's submissive signals were play appeasement, he might not be that much of a whimp if his life were depending on it. It is not hard to keep play from happening in the first place without giving a negative association to either dog, rather than having someone who is clueless try to stop the finer points. This man is no Cesar.

I like Cesar for many things, but Markobytes, I agree with your assessment. I also heard this guy on the video laughing at some of the behavior and I thought, not good, not good at all. I wouldn't blame Cesar for that, though.

And getting bit by a dog if you are a behaviorist or trainer of problem dogs, well, wouldn't that come with the territory? Sort of like riding a bike or a horse .... you can't really say you are skilled at that, until you have fallen, been thrown, or in a Cesars' case, got bit?

Sunsilver,
                    My apologies to you if you personally know this man or to him if he is reading this, I have nothing against him and mean no offense. The internet has it's limitations in personal communications. You could probably produce a hilarious sitcom if you follow me around all day with a video camera. But in giving advice on situations that potentially are dangerous, we should not mince words.
                     Warmest Regards, Hugh
 

Beetree,
                No we shouldn't blame Cesar but we should heed the disclaimer that says: don't try this at home! We are dealing with animals with teeth that can do much damage, if Cesar can get bit, than a novice can really get themselves in a mess.

Markobytes, let's just say the owner has already been taken to task for what he said and did during the filming. He knows he has a lot to learn....just look at the handle he used when posting the video!

BTW I watched the video with the sound OFF.  I always watch videos with the sound off. 

You may see it differently if you shut the sound and just watch the dogs. 

I also watched with the sound OFF (at work I don't use sound) so my previous observations were simply what I *saw* based on the dogs, I wasn't really aware of a person.

Abby, this is a SHILOH shepherd, not a GSD. They have been a separate breed since about 1992, when an outcross was done to a giant malemute. However, I agree with your take on the video.

You're a bit confused on the Shiloh's history. He was NOT socialized with other dogs after he went to his new home at 8 weeks. I think he was likely ignored and shoved into a crate or the backyard, as the family was preoccupied with their two small children. Eventually, he was rehomed to his current owner.

The owner previously had a GSD which was his medical service dog. The GSP, when he was a pup, would latch onto the GSDs tail and hang on. The GSD is now deceased, and the owner is hoping to train the Shiloh as his replacement.

His medical condition makes it hard for him to exercise the Shiloh enough to tire him out.

Just to clarify further, the GSP does not belong to the owner of the Shiloh. It's his brother's dog, which is fortunate, as I agree with you, the Shiloh's contact with the GSP needs to be carefully supervised until he learns better manners.