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by missbeeb on 24 October 2010 - 13:10

Well, Hell's bells & buckets 'o' blood... never thought I'd be typing, "good post Abnor"... but here it is, Good Post AbNor, well said.

Sue is having a tough time right now (most of us have been there) with Kally being so poorly and frequent trips back and forth to the Vet at all times of the night and day... and knowing that there's no light at the end of the tunnel... just trying to make her last days good ones!

by Jodie on 24 October 2010 - 14:10

Abby, I completely agree with you - if I were unfortunate enough to have a dog that had bad hips, yet all the dogs behind it had good hips, I would never blame the breeder! I would inform the breeder of course, but would never expect (or want, as I love my dogs no matter what) a replacement pup or refund. If a breeder sells a pup to you in good faith, how can you possibly hold them responsible if the hips do not turn out as hoped.

Pencil, I don't understand how legal action could be taken - pedigrees are endorsed for the very reason that there are no guarantees that the pup will turn out to be suitable for breeding.

So very sorry to hear about Sue's old girl, hope her remaining days are comfortable.

by bazza on 24 October 2010 - 14:10

I second your comments Miss beeb, well said Abbynormal.

by pencil on 24 October 2010 - 14:10

i dont know the reasons for the person buying the pup-but having paid top money i would assume they wanted to breed from her ( they dont have to register the pups with the kc if they are for the pet market ). so on that understanding the pup is not fit for purpose.the law is the law and as i said its no different from any thing you buy-you expect it to be what its meant for.

miss beed/bazza/etc friends of the breeder is right campaign- go read a trading standards manual.

jodie when you say an endorsement is a contract- do you mean it says NO you can;t breed from my pup that i am selling you ? what fool would pay over the odds for something like that ?

by bazza on 24 October 2010 - 15:10

Having checked the KC web site for this female I found that even the KC do not have the "official " score in their database. You said her hips were submitted in October this year, and this is only 24/Oct, how long have you known the "official" score, and when did you give Sue that "official" score? Really not much time for Sue with a very ill dog to deal with this matter, is it? Or did you just assume that you would get a replacement or refund on the word of your vet a year ago? That is not the way it works and if you signed a contract of sale you should know that. Seems to me YOU are the one that has much to learn. Going by what you have written here I think it might have been you who was nasty towards the breeder when you realized you would need to have the hips scored officially at your expense. Still, to bring it here is way out of order.

by bazza on 24 October 2010 - 15:10

Pencil, got it in for this breeder campaigner, why would you assume paying "top money" meant a buyer wanted to breed? That's your biggest problem you assume far too much!!

by reble yell on 24 October 2010 - 15:10

Ok time to get real and legal, of you pop to court but unless you have a contract stating in writing that the breeder in this case sue bellfield has promised you excellent or breed worthy hips on a puppy of 8 weeks old i am sorry you have no case we all know that many things factor into how a dogs hips are and that includes up bringing too much exercises at a young age is one factor that can cause damage it is my understanding that your bitch has been free running with an adult male since she was a baby????? friend of yours who told us that, and also you work your bitch ? Too much too young??? Hips not scored until over 2 years ? need i go on . refund i don't think so all breeders state in there contract that the best care has been taken to ensure good hips but no guarantee can be made after all we do not have crystal balls. you pay your money you take your chances. also bad mouthing is not the answer really shows the type of person you are, hurt angry get over it we have all had this at some point but as long as the breeder has taken the proper steps then it unfortunate but thats life you win some you lose some. One more thing pencil you are a total idiot breeding is for the good of the breed to further develop and insure health and welfare not a financial exercise take it you advocate puppy farming to you ought to be ashamed of your self for even suggesting such a thing. my advice is Leave sue alone or you are the ones that will end up in court on slander charges. as I said at the beginning no breeder can guarantee hips how can they so there for fit for purpose does not apply to a puppy.

by bazza on 24 October 2010 - 16:10

Reble yell, glad you posted, kinda knew there was way more to this than what was being said. Totally agree with all the points you made.

by Jodie on 24 October 2010 - 16:10

Pencil, I think you know that what I am saying is that many breeders place endorsements on registrations which they can then remove once the bitch/dog in question has been tested and proved to have satisfactory hips.
I still fail to understand how legal action could be taken - a pup is a living, breathing animal with no guarantees as to how it will turn out - it is hardly the same as say a washing machine that is made to one specification!

by bazza on 24 October 2010 - 16:10

Jodie you are 100 % correct. I think we all know by now that Pencil doesn't know the difference between a GSD puppy and a washing machine.lol.

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