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by duke1965 on 19 August 2010 - 19:08
I disagree with your schedual mostly hans
point 2d and 3 have nothing to do with natural full grip
2b , biting out of defense is an opposite as to biting in prey
the word kind of says it already
biting for prey= biting to get and keep(hold) the prey
biting out of defence=defence/do damage/chase away the bitten object
point 1 , with training you can improve or brake down a small part of natural abilities , but cannot change them
you can train a defence/civil dog to work over prey , but its impossible to teach a preydog to become civil .
furthermore , in my experience preydogs do not only have a better grip , but also are far less chewie on the dumbell as opposed to civil/defence dogs
offcourse there are various levels of balance in drives in every dog

by Prager on 19 August 2010 - 23:08
the topic deals with "Full calm grips" not "natural" full grips. Read the initial post.
I am very sorry, but I have started to answer you, but your statements are so confusing to me that I do not know what they mean.
My last post states what in my experience influences positively or negatively solid calm bite and I will fully stand behind my conclusions.
Prager Hans
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by Jeff Oehlsen on 20 August 2010 - 06:08
by duke1965 on 20 August 2010 - 10:08
if you dont understand french it will get confusing
same thing here
by Jeff Oehlsen on 20 August 2010 - 10:08

by Prager on 20 August 2010 - 23:08
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