Doom Nuggets: The Cereal Killer - Page 3

Great article!  Wish people like you were around to educate me before all of the vet bills that my family incurred!  
Keep up the good work!

if they were omnivores, they wouldn't be classified as carnivores.

The giant panda is classified as belonging to the order Carnivora, yet it is almost completely herbivorous!  Bears are also classed as carnivores, yet they will eat just about anything.

giant pandas have the digestive tract of a carnivore, and they are more than capable of eating fish, small birds and rodents. they eat mostly bamboo, which has very little nutrition in comparison to meat, and they need to eat 16 or 20 times the amount of food just to get their nutrients (don't quote me on the exact number).  they also happen to be an endangered species, no?  i wonder if somewhere down the line, one has to do with the other...interesting thought.

lol, let me rephrase...a dog has the digestive tract of a carnivore.  so unless there is a lack of meat, that is what they should be fed.

cows are herbivores, but our food industry likes to feed them corn, rice hulls, grain by-products, and chicken poop (no need to separate chicken poop from the sawdust on the barn floor either).  cows are still alive, right?  we still have meat, correct?  but they also have diseases, need to be shot up with antibiotics and hormones, and they produce meat that is waaay overloaded on omega 6 with almost no omega 3.  there are also e-coli recalls on our meats because of this.  it's no wonder why everyone in this country has declining health.  

but it's OK...because the Association Of American Feed Control Officials says chicken poop in cow feed meets the minimal requirements for nutrition.

lol

 “The percentage of raw-fed dogs that have died of cancers--both in advanced years and in the middle of the normal lifespan for the breeds--or had skin and ear problems, GI problems, food sensitivities, major medical conditions and weight issues does not differ significantly from that of dogs fed commercially produced dog foods.”

could you please let everyone know what study this information came from? to my knowledge, there has not been such a study conducted.

there are many dogs that can survive without problems while eating garbage. just like there are many chain smokers that can live well into their 80’s and 90’s without cancers. that doesn’t mean i’m going to chance it and light up a smoke.

if you prefer feeding processed food to your two dogs, and have had success doing so, god bless you and good luck with your future dogs as well. there are many people that haven’t had that sort of luck, which is why vet clinics are popping up on every corner nowadays. after all, processed foods can be linked to many degenerative diseases. why would the effect of processed foods on dogs and cats be any different than on humans?

you can also look into self funded, unbiased studies conducted by Dr. Francis Pottenger; interesting information, not swayed by big business.

oh, did you have a problem with your iams mini chunks in 2007? i believe it was making dogs very ill, many of which died.
iams, as well as other p&g foods, have recently been recalled as well. just something to look into: recall.

environmental exposure, toxins, and vaccines that vets push on our animals are all to blame. and processed foods should not be excluded from that group.

some people are satisfied with mediocrity, but others are trying to inform the general public that there are other options when it comes to feeding your animals. if you’re ok with the way things are, that’s perfectly fine, but you shouldn’t discourage others from trying to educate, or learn about how to improve standards, health, and the quality of life.

uvw, please, you're like an evangelist with this!  It sounds like you're saying everyone else is wrong and you are right! Give Hexe some credit: she has been around a long, long time and is one of the most knowledgeable people here, especially about medical matters. You are talking down to her, like she knows nothing, and your posts sounded the same when you responded to me. Don't assume other posters know less than you. I have a degree in biology, and know far more about animal taxonomy than you do.

You want to feed raw, GREAT!  I just wish your vet would call you up the next time he has to operate to disempact a dog with obstipation from eating too much bone, or a punctured bowel from a bone splinter. It DOES happen.

I choose to feed kibble, NOT just because of fear of harmful bacteria, but for the convenience. I don't want to have to mess around trying to balance a raw diet.  And I know enough about nutrition to know I'd be risking my dogs' health if I got it wrong (see above about the ocelot with rickets.)

I also travel with my dogs during the summer, and don't want to have to lug raw food around with me and risk it spoiling. Kibble is far more convenient. I have spent many hours reading the labels on dog food bags to make sure the kibble I feed is high quality. My dogs are healthy, happy and have shiny coats. My previous GSD lived to 14 1/2, and rarely saw the vet, except for injuries, so I must be doing SOMETHING right!

Oh, wait. She did have one trip to the vet that was due to diet. She got into the neighbour's garbage!

 wow!  why is everyone attacking this girl?  I read the article and I liked it.  I read all of the posts here and find that people are attacking this girl because they have nothing to do.  Maybe some of you should get a life instead of worrying about someone who is trying to make a difference.  Seems to me like some of you don't even exist in this world if not for this forum.  no one would listen to silverfox because she doesn't even make sense.  she uses kibble for convenience?  I see that you feed your dog for convenience thats great.  My dogs MY FAMILY MEMBERS deserve a little more then convenience.  Also what does that have to do with the thread its self?  She doesn't know if shes an ape, a dog, or a panda  lol  She's a nitwit who has nothing better to do.  i feed raw and I used to buy all top quality kibble and thats why I was always at the vet now Im not and Im happy, and my dogs are happy. If you dont want to feed raw thats great for you but don't begrudge someone who is trying to make a difference and make people aware.  The USA is turning to shit because of people like U.  As for hexe i read the post and she is obviously a vet tech.  Your post info was very enlightening. U feed iams?  that was the give away.  anyone can look it up and see that IAMS is all processed shit and that they did have a recall in 2007 but ur happy with how its working?  U sound like a another nitwit.  You start off with a sarcastic post to this girl and then you try to belittle everything she says and then you say if its ok with the owner and pet its ok with you?  Who are you?  You sound like a moron with a no money job working for a vet.  Both of u have dogs that were 14 and a half when they died?  That's great i know an alcoholic whose liver failed at 80 maybe if he didn't drink he would have hit 90 or maybe if we listened to silverfox who doesnt know if she's an ape or a panda bear then maybe she could have read the label and found that we could have given him a different alcohol to drink every day after all she has a biology degree from Nitwit U  ever heard of it?. Oh and another thing I see that silverfox dropped off for a while and then here comes hexe and now all the sudden the ape/dog/panda woman (silverfox) who wanted to be civil and just have a little debate turned this into an argument by trying to belittle this girl.  Who are you both kidding? What do you losers stay up at night and plot?  Who else would have taken this article and tried to trash it when in fact RAW FEEDING THE CORRECT WAY IS ON THE RISE BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE GETTING THE RESULTS THEY WANT FROM IT INSTEAD OF BEING RIPPED OFF BY A NITWIT VET TECH WHO MAKES NO MONEY OR A PHONY BIOLOGIST  who have nothing better to do then try to hurt someone for trying to help people and their pets.  Both of you should be ashamed of yourselves especially you Silverfox because you are a complete  0

Rott, by PDB standards, the above two posts are NOT attacks. However, the OP has raised a few hackles with the tone of her posts, which is condescending to say the least.

There is more than one way to feed our dogs, and calling kibble 'Cereal Killer' is bound to annoy those of us who have fed kibble for many years with no bad effects.

Both Hexe and I find the evangelical fervor of raw feeders hard to take. I have seen firsthand that raw feeding CAN be dangerous, especially if not done properly.

I will also concede that certain kibbles are not balanced nutritionally, and sometimes they contain harmful ingredients. (Witness the melamine disaster of a couple of years ago.) As with feeding raw, you need to be informed, and make sure you are feeding a good quality food.

Let's agree to disagree on this, and move on, okay? I just wanted to show there is another side to the 'Raw is the best thing EVER!' gospel.

BTW, the only post on here that's a personal attack is YOURS. Thank you for dragging this thread down the toilet! 

 You don't have to thank me and you don't have to apologize for being ignorant!  I deal with ignorant people all day so don't feel like you were singled out.  

i have not talked down to anyone, i have merely been responding to your comments the same way you have been responding to mine. didn’t you say you were glad we could talk about this in a civil manner in one of your previous posts? why all of a sudden the change of mind?  

what i did was post an article (that you personally don't agree with) to inform people of another option that's out there for feeding their dogs and cats, as well as some of the harms of kibble, and those people can then do some research and make up their own minds. i still have faith that people will revert to common sense when they see everything that has been shoved down their throats by the pet industry isn’t helping.

you may have a degree in biology, but how many years experience do you have with raw feeding? how many dogs experience do you have with raw feeding?

my vet now acknowledges raw feeding as a plausible option...which is a huge step in the right direction, to improving the general health of our animals.

do you work with any vets that refer problem clients to you to get them nutritionally on track before treating and medicating them for something that could be avoided?

you said: “As for vets,  I have made an effort to educate my vet about what crap the foods he pushes are, such as Science Diet which is mainly made from corn and other grains; but he will not listen, so I know the problems with the veterinary profession.”

it doesn’t take a biologist to convince someone that science diet is sub par.

by the way, my vet would call me if there were any surgeries being done due to raw bones. it is now august, there have been none. but there have been several surgeries to retrieve socks, bedding, and toys. maybe there should be a new anti-sock movement to save our dogs from that danger?

as i said before, in your own words, you feed kibble for fear of bacteria and for its convenience. i, among many others, prefer not to conveniently kill my dogs slowly.

reading ingredient labels does not take much effort, anyone can do that right from their computer screen, it doesn’t take a biologist to do that either. researching raw feeding, buying, packing, freezing food, and wiping down the kitchen counter and floor does. for some people that is too much effort, for others that effort saves them lots of money and heartache long term. you may have spent many hours reading ingredient labels, but i have spent many years hands on raw feeding from both the feeding and manufacturing sides. are you really that naive to think the dog food company is required to list ALL of the ingredients, preservatives, chemicals? do you think the meat that goes into making dog food is not already spoiled?

as for traveling, i travel myself, to canada and cross country. it’s amazing how much frozen food a small $12 igloo cooler can hold, and how long the food stays frozen (if you’re driving of course). otherwise, it’s just as easy to stop at a supermarket or butcher when you get to your destination, or bring freeze dried food with you if you don’t want to make additional stops.

again, many dogs live long seemingly healthy lives on garbage food, laying in pesticide ridden grass, and being shot up with vaccines all their lives. but many dogs have to be put down at the age of 4, 5, 6, from full blown cancer as well.

14.5 years is great, have all your dogs lived that long? if feeding kibble works for you, god bless you as well, and i wish you and all your future dogs the same luck.


ps - my tone was never condescending, you are just annoyed because my views are not in line with yours.