Lornaville Alsatians - Page 3

AmbiiGsd you are not middle of the road as confirmed by your statement
   
     "That means looking for the all-round working dog with correct balanced conformation, that allows it to do the job it was bred to do".

To  Petowner, I am referring to the animals that fit as close as possible to the international standard as set out by the SV and WUSV.   I agree that there are extremes within this framework.  In my opinion this is partly caused by the limited breeding material available to breeders.  It is only in more  recent times that, for example, the UK breeders have been able to wider this field following changes to the quarantine rules.

Mackenzie

Mackenzie then do enlighten me, as you seen to know more about what I am aiming for than I do.

Well karen, I cannot say anything about what you are aiming to do but I think that using the DDR/ West German working  lines is a step in the right direction.  Many of these dogs are not so far off of the breed standard as many would believe.  As a small breeder I would imagine that you research properly into the type of animal that you want and I think, I may be wrong, that you haven't forgotten that we have a working breed that can be shown.

Kind regards

Mackenzie

misbeeb.it wasnt my comment on liking a bitch from the other side that i expect to get slated over.IT WAS MY COMMENT ON THE HANDLING ASPECT.glad to see that at least some people agree with what most see as middle of the road animals.my bitch has even been commented on by Herr Buss at  a breed club open show a few years ago as to why she was down the line.at that time she was not really in good show condition,either coat or fitness wise.MY FAULT NOT HERS.Herr Buss used to judge the adult females at the GERMAN SIEGER SHOWS.

Miss Beeb writes, ‘We all know Mr Brandon is wrong, we all know what he breeds blah, blah, blah... I don't like pictures or links posted for all to ridicule, that also, is wrong. imho’

Ah, but do we all know that Mr Brandon is wrong? And does everyone ridicule him? It doesn’t look like that to me.

(1) Mr Brandon says he is a Kennel Club assessor for first time CC judges.
(2) He says he judges all breeds at Open Show level and is on various Club lists for other Working/Pastoral breeds.
(3) More breed Champions seem to have been produced by the Lornaville kennel than you can shake a stick at (I do, incidentally, use the words ‘says’ and ‘seem’ not because I don’t believe him but because it is simpler to take a person at his own word than enter into sterile debate about whether this or that fact is correct).

As Dr Willis says, ‘The “Alsatian” which is recognized here and virtually no where else, appears to be supported and lauded by the Kennel Club.’ What are the above if not evidence of that? Mr Brandon and Lornaville ‘Alsatians’ are certainly not ridiculed by the Kennel Club.

And that is the point, is it not? Many people in this country want to be able to run events for the GSD (not the ‘German Shepherd Dog (‘Alsatian’)’according to WUSV rules and according to WUSV standards. Why should any club willingly put itself in the position of having to seek the ‘express permission’ of the KC to hold such an event? WUSV rules and standards are for the correct type of GSD recognized universally. Can the same be said for KC shows? And if it cannot then what is the sense in voluntarily giving the Kennel Club a veto on whether a German Shepherd can be shown under WUSV rules in this country?

peterlee.

                     Just ask yourself  how many BREED shows has Lornaville entered let alone won.Asuming you agree that Geman Nationals who come over here to judge know what a german shepherd is meant to look like-ask yourself again how many of those judges has Mr Brandon entered under ? Surely if he and his FRIENDS thought they had the correct type they would enter all the BREED champshows.

Arbeiter,thats just it.Mr.Brandon and his friendsDO BELIEVE THEY HAVE THE CORRECT TYPE and that the rest of us have THE INCORRECT TYPE.Peterlee,i have showing gsds since 1987 and i do believe at that time Mr.Brandon did show his animals and did win ccs with them,but time has gone on and the judges have been changing their views and now not many champ.show society put the incorrect type judges up.many of the judges who in the old days put up the english type have now seen the light and are putting up the more correct animals.for example this year only 3 of the general champ shows have a judge that prefers his type.last year i believe it was only 2(skc..aug. and birmingham city)there were 2 that put up an all rounder who prefers a more hardier english type (welks)and richmond where we had a judge who placed both types,not ideal i know,but the breed had had that letter from the kc and she judged on the soundness of the dogs going away and coming back.i cant grumble as i was 1 exhibit ,who has a correct animal who was placed.we had a correct type  male going BOB and an english type getting the bitch cc.no disrespect to this females owner,as she wasnt a bad specimen.

Arbeiter, I think Peterlee (albeit in a different way) was making that very point. In addition he was pointing out how the KC fail to realise that. People talk about the middle of the road but those who class themselves as middle of the road dont admire his dogs but the KC dont appear to realise that either. The KC appoint Judges Assessors based on the amount of CC's the individual has handed out, considering how long he has been judging in the breed and the fact that very few people are of his ilk when it comes to type, he will have judged more than most over the years. As Malcolm Willis also said, "The existence of two types of GSD is brought about by the Kennel Club permitting judges to award CCs when they should not even be judging the breed at all." 

Missbeeb, at this crossroads of our breeds future in the UK , I tend to agree with your last statement more and more with each passing day and especially every time I read the now weekly KC press releases. The thought of not having to request a date for when we want to run a show and have to wait in line for the all breeds to be issued dates first, not having to get their approval for the judges we want to ask (especially when they are SV trained), not having to pay £35 or £70 respectively up front to run a show, not having to pay them an extra 20p for every entry we recieve at champ shows, not having to wade through every page of every KC Gazzette looking for the next rule change, not having to request special permission for special classes, be ticked off for missing something quite irrelevant out of the schedule, worry that we might have to report our judge, take esculation proceedures to suspend judgeing, report exhibitors or cancel the show, oh what bliss.

Regards
Sue