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by vomeisenhaus on 21 March 2012 - 01:03
yes alboe ....you can train many many dogs of differnt temperaments and physical traits in 2 1/2 yrs to give you a wealth of knowledge & experience. How stupid of me.... lol
by alboe2009 on 21 March 2012 - 01:03
vomeisenhaus,
Key word is CAN. I didn't use "does", didn't use "will". CAN. Funny how what I wrote has nothing to do with what you wrote..........
Key word is CAN. I didn't use "does", didn't use "will". CAN. Funny how what I wrote has nothing to do with what you wrote..........
by vomeisenhaus on 21 March 2012 - 01:03
Aboe.... you fall under the category of my earlier quote.
by Rik on 21 March 2012 - 04:03
I have gotten a little confused as to the purpose of this thread. Is it "what is a real working dog" or is it "what is a real working dog "breed worthy".
A real "working" GSD is any dog engaged in service to man. LE, military, SAR, border patrol, seeing eye, herding, drug dog, service dog, termite dog, whatever. If the dog does a job, it is a real "working" dog.
As far as "breed worthy", if you look around and there are multiple breeds of dog doing the same job as your GSD, then no, your GSD doing this job does not automatically qualify it as "breed worthy".
Rik
A real "working" GSD is any dog engaged in service to man. LE, military, SAR, border patrol, seeing eye, herding, drug dog, service dog, termite dog, whatever. If the dog does a job, it is a real "working" dog.
As far as "breed worthy", if you look around and there are multiple breeds of dog doing the same job as your GSD, then no, your GSD doing this job does not automatically qualify it as "breed worthy".
Rik
by VonIsengard on 21 March 2012 - 04:03
Absolutely correct, Rik. Additionally, working ability alone does not constitute breed worthiness, it constitutes a starting point. A dog with EPI can herd. A dog with a serious dentition flaw can be a detection dog. Even a well conditioned dog with HD or ED can do good work for several years. That does not make them breedworthy.
Furthermore, being a pet is not a job. It's wonderful that a well bred GSD is good with the family, a stable companion, and a fine protector, but that does make make a working dog anymore than a housewife is as much of a professional as a neurosurgeon, however intelligent and lovely they both are.
Furthermore, being a pet is not a job. It's wonderful that a well bred GSD is good with the family, a stable companion, and a fine protector, but that does make make a working dog anymore than a housewife is as much of a professional as a neurosurgeon, however intelligent and lovely they both are.
by Rik on 21 March 2012 - 04:03
VI, thank you for expanding on my point.
Rik
by beetree on 21 March 2012 - 13:03
vonIsengard, you just devalued the job of every last SAHM, lovely though we are. Our value if you were to $$$ for such services rendered in a year would be at least 115K per year. Not going to even mention her dog.
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/42906705/ns/today-money/t/whats-true-value-stay-at-home-mother/#.T2nQ-1F4F5g
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/42906705/ns/today-money/t/whats-true-value-stay-at-home-mother/#.T2nQ-1F4F5g
by Red Sable on 21 March 2012 - 17:03
I agree with Bee. The hand that rocks the cradle rules the world. Literally. There is not a more important job.
A GSD that fits in well with a family, and will really protect it with it's life, search for a missing family member until it is found, or better yet, direct police and fire trucks to his home which is on fire in the middle of nowhere is a highly important job too in my books.
A GSD that fits in well with a family, and will really protect it with it's life, search for a missing family member until it is found, or better yet, direct police and fire trucks to his home which is on fire in the middle of nowhere is a highly important job too in my books.
by Ibrahim on 21 March 2012 - 18:03
Good posts RS & Bee
by VonIsengard on 21 March 2012 - 20:03
Oh, I just knew someone was going to get bent about that. You miss my point completely. I have been a housewife before and in this fall will be one again for at least a few months to a year when I stay home with my baby that is currently on the way. I do not put my infants in day care, so I understand the importance just as well as you do.
Try to read this with an open mind and not get offended. We wouldn't to get over emotional here and prove certain posters right, would we? ;)
I am comparing the duty of a house wife to the duty of a good family dog. Important, beloved, vital to society, and carried in the hearts of a family forever. A working dog is the neurosugeon. A career professional with a completely different purpose in the world. To belittle the training put into a good working dog who serves people is comparable to belittling the education of a professional who serves people.
Neither is more important or better than the other, I did not say they were so kindly do not put words into my mouth.
We are, however, discussing "working dogs" so we must be very literal on what constitutes a working dog. Let's not compare apples to oranges, and let's not get offended when someone realistically says apples are NOT oranges.
Try to read this with an open mind and not get offended. We wouldn't to get over emotional here and prove certain posters right, would we? ;)
I am comparing the duty of a house wife to the duty of a good family dog. Important, beloved, vital to society, and carried in the hearts of a family forever. A working dog is the neurosugeon. A career professional with a completely different purpose in the world. To belittle the training put into a good working dog who serves people is comparable to belittling the education of a professional who serves people.
Neither is more important or better than the other, I did not say they were so kindly do not put words into my mouth.
We are, however, discussing "working dogs" so we must be very literal on what constitutes a working dog. Let's not compare apples to oranges, and let's not get offended when someone realistically says apples are NOT oranges.
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