KREATIVE KENNEL - Page 3

Alirod - If you paid less that that then you got a family companion, plain and simple...as you said, "you only have to glance at the website to see that."

Their "working dogs" start out at $2500.

Again, Im not paying $1800 for a companion/couch potato.  If someone else does there is NOTHING wrong with that and as long as they are happy and the pup is treated well, nothing else matters.

I would be willing to bet that most of their "working dogs" don't actually sell for $2500.  There are people out there with deep pockets who probably don't second guess that price, but the majority of people would probably see that as a starting price for negotiations. Again, I'm sure there are people out there where money isn't a concern, and if you can get a high price from those people by having a higher listed price, why not? You see crazy prices on most breeder websites, and I'd be SHOCKED if they got those prices even for 1 out of 5 pups.

Also, the prices have changed drastically from the time I bought my pup; at that time, they didn't even separate working/companion pups in their pricing structure.

Is the pup you got Ibrahim to post from KK Ali?  Definitley looks like more than pet quality.  What is his temperament like?

ACE952, I did not say anything about it being cheaper....just that it was nice that they have the stock that they have in this country. Knowledgable people are going to take advantage of the stock they posess, as to their breeding program, that's in the eyes of the beholder. But they have some good dogs, I'm sure as time goes on they will become more knowledgable about what they have, and that's how things are built. Money doesn't build greatness, commitment and knowledge does....and you can acquire knowledge over time....leastways that's the way most of us have.

Alirod - You make a valid point.  They could put them up there to start negotiations.  My counterpoint to that is, why would you set a price to scare people off if your in the business of selling dogs and you have a large operation?  That doesn't seem very smart.

I personally wouldn't buy from a breeder that sets a high price for their dogs to only do it to start negotiations.  That rubs me the wrong way.  To me if you are sure of what you have then the price you advertise should be in your eyes what its worth.  I can take or leave it.  If you use it to "open negotiations" then that tell me the dog ain't worth that and it makes me really value the dogs in general.

Gustav - Yes I agree, it is nice to see the stock here in the states.  I also agree that breeding stock is in the eye of the beholder and in time they can become more knowledgabe when it comes to producing.  It certainly does take a lot of time.  I know here in the states though I would only trust a handful of breeders with selecting a pup.  And when I mean handful I mean no more than 5.  Would KK be one of them?  No but that is just me.

I think they have some really nice stud and brood bitches along with general older dogs for sale.  I have no doubt that people that got dogs from them are extremely happy and they should be.  There are 50 million threads on this kennel with different opinions. 

Hey Red,

Yeah the pictures Ibrahim posted are of my pup, and I did get him from KK. Not sure if he's pet or working quality, as they didn't distinguish between the two back when I purchased him. And since I'm not an expert in the slightest, and he's my first GS, I can't really judge for myself without any frame of reference. What I can say is that he has ridiculous ball drive and is incredibly biddable. He would definitely pass his Sch. 1 obedience right now. I think he has a generally easy going temperament most of the time, and is calm in the house. He ignores other dogs almost entirely unless there is a ball/stick involved and they get in between him and the ball/stick. He really puts up with heaps of shit from other dogs until they try and mess with his "ball time," and then he just flips a switch and goes savage on dogs for some reason. He literally goes from ignoring them to attacking them and keeping at it even when they try and get away. Since his tolerance is so high it doesn't happen that often. He's only growled at humans once, and that was when I was home alone and 2 drunk guys knocked on my door at 1:30 am thinking it was a different house. I opened the door a crack to talk to them and he stood in that crack and growled at them the entire time.

Anyway, I don't know if he is the perfect "working dog" without ever having worked him, but I wouldn't call him a couch potato either.

very nice looking dog Alirod

Thanks Ace I appreciate the compliment!

Ok now I wanna see the pup ali, where did you put his pic at or could you put another one up Please?? I dont' know anything about kreative, never even been to their website.  Some people that I would respect as being very knowledgable and having more than enough experience to back it up say they have quality dogs and that's good enough for me.  But I also would visit the kennel see the dogs for myself I'm not big on buying totally over the internet where I don't get to see the dog, I was always taught don't gamble with more than you can afford to lose and I see that as a gamble, and I can't afford to lose so I go see for myself.  As far as the prices I think that's a little steep but prices vary based on geographical locations, experiences etc and if somebody is willing to pay it then I'm not going to complain that he's a good business man.  Ace you said you don't like people that put a high price to open negotiations, but sometimes if you price a pup too low people will completely dismiss the pup as there must be something wrong with it, which is not always the case but if they start high on the dog that does give them room to come down if somebody is not willing to pay that, but if you start low you can't up the price for those that can afford more.