Looking For Home Protector - Page 3

Jenni,  I was not giving an evaluation of this dog as you seem to think.  I was only saying that I would not place a dog that has been trained to bite, and has done so, into a family with children.  A dog that has been working in a prison environment is a dog that should be placed in very experienced hands.  That is my whole rebuttal when I hear people talk about thier bite work and wanting dogs trained in sch or knvp dogs.  To often a dog is trained by someone who would not be fit for a Pom let alone a dog that has the kind of drive and training your dog obviously has.  I was not saying anything negative about your judgement either.  I know from your posts your careful and thoughtful.

Steve, she was a detection dog for the D.O.C. Apparently, she bit some nutjob prisoner once...hardly enough to say she's not safe with children! She lived w/2 small children for a short time as well. I would confidently bring her into my home w/my 2yr old son.   To me, that's basic stability. My best friend has had her for quite a while now and we were actually just talking about the weird questions we get about her, like is she ok w/kids. It strikes us as funny, because we certainly wouldn't be saying what a nice stable dog she is if she had an issue w/kids. To us, that's not a nice stable dog...that's a dog w/issues and certainly not a dog we'd be trying to find a nice pet home for! That's a liability.

Anyway, I guess we have a difference of opinion. All dogs bite. Trained dogs are just a little more predictable as to when they'll bite.  

I tried to stay out of this......

Here you go Steve, this dog has bitten and is safe with the children it lives with.

http://www.youtube.com/canczechdogs#p/u/36/7n3TlqQZVyQ


Kim

Bhaugh says, "Fact is, they want the dog to protect them from the get go...doesn't work out for its intended purpose, its out and another dog takes it's place".

Oh really?  How do you figure?  Crystal ball?



sjbo says, "Red flags always go up for me when I hear of someone looking for a protection dog that is free or for a cheap price,  add to that children and I become really guarded".

I'm sorry if your "protection" dogs aren't good with children.  You should try getting a German shepherd.  No where did I say they want a cheap or free dog.

sjbo says, "If someone cannot afford to purchase a well bred dog and is looking for a short cut rather then doing the work that is needed to train it with the family I always wonder how the older dog is going to be treated." 

Because only well bred, intact dogs with papers are good dogs, can bark at strangers and be good around children? 

sjbo says, "And of course will the dog get the attention it really needs to fit in with the family or is it going to be a situation where a job is expected and its left to just roam the yard and basically ignored."

Where did you get this notion from?  When I said they are dog lovers and owners?  Because dogs with a job other than being a pet dont get attention?


Sounds like the bitter people on this thread need to stop projecting their past dog placement failure on this situation, stop ass-u-ming and judging.

MFH, since you like to copy and past then be critical how am I or anyone else to take this sentence?
"Ace, they dont have a whole lot of money to spend, which is why they are very open to senior and rescue dogs.

That sounds like someone looking for a dog that is cheap to me or your reading more into their financial state then your privy too and either making assumptions or trying to save them money useing your contacts.  As for the rest, my inference to a well bred dog said noting about pedigrees or anything else for that matter.  All I said is I am guarded where kids are concerned and rehoming an older dog.
If being cautious when rehomeing a dog is wrong then I want to be wrong all the time becuase I would reather be overly cautious then a month or six months down the road find out that a dog I rehomed bit and hurt a child.  I will always error on the side of caution in that case. 

sjbo659 - while I agree with some of your concerns, and your personal interpretations of everyone else's comments, which include the original post.......

I'm still waiting for your critique and comments of my previous post.

Thank you


Kim

Steve, your concern isn't wrong, but it's certainly displaced in this case. Now it sounds like you're trying to defend your statements which both mfh27 and myself found offensive by changing gears and talking about rehoming any older dog...blah blah blah and saying you err on the side of caution, as if the rest of are are saying "Aww, f-it. So what if she bites the kid." HARDLY the point we're making here, and is in fact more offensive than your earlier post. You're basically saying the prospective owners and I are both throwing caution to the wind where a dog and child are concerned and that's nothing even resembling what's going on here.

I'm trying to understand here....by what you've said, applying the same theory, I shouldn't have my son around Capri because she's titled? Or any of the others who have done a lot of bitework? If you're saying only an untrained puppy is a good pet and companion for a child, I vehemently disagree. My son is younger than any of my bite trained dogs. They were all here first and had never been around children. It never crossed my mind that it would be an issue. It's the same thing; older dog now having to deal with a kid. Big deal. A stable dog shouldn't have any problem with it, and a good dog will adapt immediately, as mine all did, and as Mica has done. She went from a small kennel in the prison to a home situation with ZERO training (not housebroken even) and meshed beautifully with the family and their 2 small children. Non-destructive in the house, no accidents, gentle and loving with the kids though she's high energy- she surpassed all our expectations. She's one of those "rise to the occasion" type mature females. Unfortunately, the child reacted with horrible hives when she touched him, so that didn't work out.

As mfh27 said, they were looking for an adult or a rescue with a KNOWN PAST.

"They dont have whole lot of money to spend" is openly ambiguous, but in no way does it mean cheap or free.  As I said in my first post, they are looking for a quality adult dog, and have enough heart and sense to realize that an older adult or rescue can possess those qualities at a lower price than a younger dog.  If you can find quality at a lower price, what is the big deal?

They found a good dog.  Unfortunately, it wasn't Jenni's recommended prison bitch.  Thanks all for the help.

Congrats to them and their lucky new dog. Mica is just fine and is in no danger;-)