HOW TO MAKE A DOG A GOOD GUARD DOG - Page 3

 Red Sable...

        To be perfectly honest I don't even own a Smith and Wesson...: )

        I come from a huge gun family, but the only gun I own is Ruger...lol...;)
           
        Also, I have only stated that I do not prefer a forward and aggressive/territorial temperament in a GSD...Yes, watchful, aloof, and weary are all very good characteristics that I desire in a GSD...A GSD by nature is also a deterrent IMO....

      As far as your comment..." I really wish folks that do no not want a well breed GSD, would get another breed".....I guess that depends on what your opinion is on a well bred GSD. And what your purpose for having one is. ..IMO a GSD being watchful, aloof, weary, and a deterrent is all I want or expect....The forward, aggressive, territorial, serious, GSD is too much for my taste...Too much responsibility/liability....

      I think there is a lot between a serious, aggressive and territorial GSD, and a watered down, stranger loving, tail wagging goof....I want a nice balance between the two....


        Deanna...: ) 
    

The baddest ppd in the world should at all times be "Clearheaded" not crazy, but confident. He should always be Nuetral unless circumstances dictate a different response. Don't confuse protection dog with trained attack dog. It seems as though they are being lumped into the same dog.
Hank

   
   Hank...
     Can we talk about the difference between the two, trained attack dog and a protection dog...??? I hate to go OT, but I would like to know the difference....I would have considered them the same...


    Deanna...: )

Deanna, A personal protection Dog is a dog that has to conform to a clients personal life style. He must be alert, capable of going where ever client goes, shopping, subway, Dog has to be trained to what ever specific lifestyle he or she is expected to protect. Should almost be invisible to it's surroundings, The key word here is protection, not intervention. If you are laying in the floor with a knife in you after being raped, Did personal protection work? No. So the dog has to work off command based on percieved threat, which means the dog has to be very clear headed, very calm, very confident, and most of all not reckless. The list goes on , but these are just some must traits.

A trained attack dog, riot dog, has his imprinting on move or get bit, his motivation is to bite, be mean and move forward. Has not a lot to do with discerning a threat. You point and aim him and he goes forward to bites. Real aggresive in his actions.

If a person thinks a dog that will bark or bite is a good protection dog, he is self decieved. That type dog with encouragement will never be anything but a liability. Some one knocks on the door, gets invited in, has kids that are running around and runs outside to play and later comes running through the door and dog attacks. You have a severly hurt innocent kid, and a big law suit, is it worth that? No.

Protection dogs are disciplined, well manered, obedient, dogs that you should enjoy and have confidence in that while he is seemingly not doing much , he is never not aware of every thing around and has the courage to prevent a incident before it becomes a case of intervention
Hank

Hank...
      Thanks for the post...: ) 

      From what you have said, the big difference between the two is the discernment factor, which comes from a sound mind....????  Is this true..???

       So......
  * Would a dog that could be suitable for trained attack work be suitable for therapy work???
  
  *Would  a dog that is suitable for PP be suitable for therapy work????

   Sorry, but I want to be clear on some things....I am super slow on the uptake....lol...

Good question, but a little odd. The choice between the 2 would be Attack dog No, and PPD yes. Really because of the issue of stable nerves. A dog with strong nerves, which is a must for PP, would be able to adjust to any situation. Often times weaker nerve dogs excell in attack work.
Hank

The OP wants a dog that puts on a show.  It doesn't have to be a man eater.  I can take my dogs anywhere in public and they are quite social, however, they put on a heck of a show at home.  Also, if I am walking alone, my female would definitely react if someone made an aggressive move towards me. 
She is not trained in protection but I believe she is what the OP wants.  I don't think the OP want a PP dog, just a dog that is more 'protective'.  That doesn't mean they are attack dogs or going to chew up everyone that comes in the door.  Stable well bred GSD's dont' need heavy training for the average person, just some socialization and obedience.

This pic isn't clear but this was taken on Canada Day with my phone, first time my dog had been out with these folks, yet my mom says he won't let her out of the car if I am not home.  I'd  have never guessed it, but hey, that is okay with me.

    Hank....( or anyone else knowledgeable about the topic)
   
  I really am enjoying this thread...Thanks for your reply. 

    A stable ( good nerved) GSD should be able to be a therapy dog by day and a PPD by night..That is Super Awesome....: )

     Question...

    *Should all stable (good nerved) GSD be suitable for therapy work?...

     *What about GSD that do not like people outside their family????... Is this acceptable and do you think it can be considered a stable temperament??? 

I think it is a nurtured response. To little socializing from puppy stage to adult hood. Dogs should be able to be in the company of strangers and be polite under any circumstance. If you read the post about Dargo on German Shepherd page you will read testimonies of how he played with kids and adults, while he was at the same time a very hard dog that produced it in his offsprings. It is balance with good discernment and proper nurturing. If you had say a teenage son or daughter that did not like to be around your friends, would you tolerate bad behavior from them or would you correct them. I've read enough of your post that I think you would correct it. Same as a dog. Look at security dogs for the secret service, they have to be at big affairs all the time around loud, rude, noisy people that have no consideration for the dogs feelings and yet dog has to be calm, sit, and yet in the event of a problem be able to ignite in a heart beat. 

 RS, thats what I am saying, But every time the word protection dog, or personal protection dog comes up, after awhile it all comes down to dogs that just bite, or they can't be trusted,and that is incorrect. And I hope this will help some that are not sure what the differences are,to see they are a asset and not a liability, If the right temperment, strong nerves and intelligence are at the foundation you start with. Not just a crazy , mean, biting machine as they are portrayed to be. All this is my opinion and I'm around dog people most every day and talk to dog people every day and I know others have different views and I respect them , these are just mine for what it's worth
Hank