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by Jenni78 on 15 March 2011 - 00:03
You know, unvaccinated dogs don't spread disease just by being unvaccinated. Nor does vaccination protect against all disease.
I will never vaccinate puppies for parvo- no way to guarantee they won't be exposed in the "window" between inoculation and immunity. Never did, but had an experience that really sealed the deal for me in terms of survival rates of vaccinated vs. unvaccinated.
I will never vaccinate puppies for parvo- no way to guarantee they won't be exposed in the "window" between inoculation and immunity. Never did, but had an experience that really sealed the deal for me in terms of survival rates of vaccinated vs. unvaccinated.
by jamesfountain98 on 15 March 2011 - 00:03
yogi aka devils advocate. I don't know the protocol for all the vaccinations you mentioned,but which of those require annual booster shots after the initial vaccinations?
I don't remember my highschool shot record but I know between the age of 18-25 I did not recieve any vaccinations nor did my physician recommend any. I joined the Military and they started shooting me up with everything known to man, but that's a different story.
But the initial conversation was about annual booster shots not all the vaccinations that are available.
I don't remember my highschool shot record but I know between the age of 18-25 I did not recieve any vaccinations nor did my physician recommend any. I joined the Military and they started shooting me up with everything known to man, but that's a different story.
But the initial conversation was about annual booster shots not all the vaccinations that are available.
by jamesfountain98 on 15 March 2011 - 00:03
What if we don't vaccinate?
Answer: We will have a percentage of individual dogs (pets, friends, workers, etc) die, but the overall population's immune systems would adapt through survival of the fittest and selective breeding producing a stronger, healthier population. But the argument to this would be, it would only cause local immunity. If exposed to a virus in another geographical location across the country or across the world, the dog may not have developed resistance to that strain.
sure you can compare humans to dogs when it comes to vaccination protocols. Many pet owners have the same lifestyles as they dictate for their pets.
Examples:
Increase vaccinations for humans=increase vaccinations for pets
increase obesity humans=increase obesity for pets.
increase in processed food concumption=increase kibble production
Answer: We will have a percentage of individual dogs (pets, friends, workers, etc) die, but the overall population's immune systems would adapt through survival of the fittest and selective breeding producing a stronger, healthier population. But the argument to this would be, it would only cause local immunity. If exposed to a virus in another geographical location across the country or across the world, the dog may not have developed resistance to that strain.
sure you can compare humans to dogs when it comes to vaccination protocols. Many pet owners have the same lifestyles as they dictate for their pets.
Examples:
Increase vaccinations for humans=increase vaccinations for pets
increase obesity humans=increase obesity for pets.
increase in processed food concumption=increase kibble production
by Jenni78 on 15 March 2011 - 01:03
Yes, James, but vaccines are much the same as far as shortcomings- local strains, particular strains, diseases we don't have here and they're exposed somewhere else, etc.
Your first statements are dead on. We live in a very individualistic society in which this is unacceptable to most.
Your first statements are dead on. We live in a very individualistic society in which this is unacceptable to most.
by vonissk on 15 March 2011 - 01:03
I would like to update my earlier post regarding yearly rabies shots in Oklahoma. A very kind person emailed me--also a resident of OK--and updated me that 3 yr rabies are allowed here. So I will be on the horn to my vets tomorrow to find out more. Thank you again kind person.
Also just wanted to add that once I do my last puppy shot that is it. In my lifetime with dogs I have never seen a grown dog with parvo and I just don't feel it necessary. Also when I do the puppy shots I do them here at home because I don't want to take them to the vets' to be exposed to God knows what that I know I don't have. And I am talking about my own pups, not a litter because I am not a breeder.
Also just wanted to add that once I do my last puppy shot that is it. In my lifetime with dogs I have never seen a grown dog with parvo and I just don't feel it necessary. Also when I do the puppy shots I do them here at home because I don't want to take them to the vets' to be exposed to God knows what that I know I don't have. And I am talking about my own pups, not a litter because I am not a breeder.
by HighDesertGSD on 15 March 2011 - 19:03
There are always tradeoffs in life.
With modern MLV vaccine, immunity against parvo will take when given at 12th weeks for a very high percentage of pups. I take a small risk and take my pup out at 14th week to be socialized after shot at 12th weeks, and also give the last of pup series at 14th week.
Then I don't give any shots until almost 6 months old, and then just one DHPP, or DHPPC, or DHLPPC.
Then I don't give any until the adult is over 3.5 years old, then every 3 years
Except for rabies, which is dictated by law.
With modern MLV vaccine, immunity against parvo will take when given at 12th weeks for a very high percentage of pups. I take a small risk and take my pup out at 14th week to be socialized after shot at 12th weeks, and also give the last of pup series at 14th week.
Then I don't give any shots until almost 6 months old, and then just one DHPP, or DHPPC, or DHLPPC.
Then I don't give any until the adult is over 3.5 years old, then every 3 years
Except for rabies, which is dictated by law.
by JLB82 on 17 March 2011 - 19:03
Wow, I did not know that in Oklahoma you only had to get rabie shots every 3 years. How do I verify that? I was just about to take Tagan to get his and Baily has had four already and I was planning on giving her the 5th shot in the beginning of May.
by vonissk on 18 March 2011 - 01:03
I called my vet yesterday and was told that yes they can give the 3 yr vaccine and yes it would be good for 3 yrs BUT the state still requires one every year. Now this kind person has sent me more info and it all says this and that about the 3 yr thing but the vet told me if it was so he didn't know and he would advise me to keep getting them every year. So this is how I figure it. In OK one can buy rabies shots at the feed store BUT if your dog bites someone since you do not have the paperwork from the vet it is like not having it at all. In other words I am back where I started--getting them every spring when they are due so I will be in compliance with the state law.
by JLB82 on 18 March 2011 - 01:03
I have heard they aren't allowed to sale rabie shots at the feed stores any more in Oklahoma.
by JRANSOM on 18 March 2011 - 02:03
When my dogs were both pups they got all the required vaccines. And up until now. But now I will have titers run to check them. I've talked w/my vet about that and she does reccomend that they do still get vaccinated for lepto but will run titers for all others. She still will not vaccinate for lepto and run a titer for that but doesn't advise that I skip that vaccine. I will choose not to vaccinate my dogs on the premise that they got all their shots when they were pups and then the boosters. If you think about it, we humans got all our vaccines when we were babies and young kids then no more. We didn't get vaccines year after year. So, why vaccinate year after year for my dog! Also, no vaccine is 100%. Both my dogs have been vaccinated for Lyme Disease but yet still tested positive for it! So what good is it? Then they were both put on a hard core antibiotic for it for awhile! They both show no symptoms of the disease and never have. But, it just angers me that they get vaccinated for it then it doesn't work, and then get slammed with the fees to be cautious on them not getting it at all! What gives? So, for us, I will run titers on my dogs to check the immunities they have towards various diseases that they've already been vaccinated for during puppyhood. And, to answer the origional queston, no I won't be vaccinating my dogs for parvo for the reasons I previously stated.
Jen
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Jen
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