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by Mystere on 16 June 2009 - 06:06
Chickadee,
That is one of my points/questions. Yes, coats are often bred from two stock coats.
Also, consider that many dogs carry "coat factor" and you can often tell such dogs on sight. They have a grand-parent or gr Grandparent that was a carrier and produced coats. Such dogs are needed to "salvage" the short, going-toward-rottie coats sometimes seen among the working lines i n particular. ¶ This scheme by the SV could conceivably "stigmatize" the dogs we need to maintain good, full coats, because they carry, or may carry, coat factor.
I still think this is all about the Euro...
by Sherman-RanchGSD on 16 June 2009 - 20:06
It is a scheme about money IMO.. I feel it is problematic for the breed in the long run to seperate and then encourage breeders to perpetuate them seperately. That is my opinion.. its not that it matters to the SV powers...It further ousts offspring from registerd parents and would seem to create confusion and friction with members/owners breeders... It sounds problematic to me.
Debi
www.sherman-ranch.us
Debi
www.sherman-ranch.us
by Mystere on 18 June 2009 - 17:06
Any ideas as to the response from the AKC, WDA, or USA?
by wuzzup on 18 June 2009 - 17:06
What was the response from AKC , WDA or USA ?
by Mystere on 18 June 2009 - 18:06
None.....yet, AFAIK. I understand that WDA may already be discussing a response at the Executive level. Frankly, I think the impact of the economy does and will affect any response. Can organizations afford to run dual-track shows and surveys? There may be financial benefits, particularly if John Q. Public with a LC pet wants to jump into showing. I have no doubt that there will be a lot of interest on the part of the LC public that has not been able to show in AKC or German-style shows. The question is whether they would do so in this economy. Doggie-extras are all discretionary spending, and therefore likely to be waaaaay on the back burner.
It is the folks like schutzhunders, for whom the training/trialing/titling is a virtual lifestyle, that will give up the "doggie-extras" last. Even so, many of us are looking to scale back costs with more fuel-efficient vehicles, less travel to shows and trials, as well as training, etc.
In the PNW, we were accustomed to at least six shows and surveys a year just along the I-5 corridor from Portland to Surrey, BC. When gas prices went up, entries and travel to shows went down. The economic climate has taken its toll on that. This year we have only two shows scheduled and BOTH are in B.C. None are scheduled in the region in the US at all. In fact, we don't even have a regional conformation show scheduled, despite the fact that USA's Regional Policy mandates a regional conformation show in every region.
I don't think we are going to receive definitive responses from AKC/WDA/USA until the end of the year.
It is the folks like schutzhunders, for whom the training/trialing/titling is a virtual lifestyle, that will give up the "doggie-extras" last. Even so, many of us are looking to scale back costs with more fuel-efficient vehicles, less travel to shows and trials, as well as training, etc.
In the PNW, we were accustomed to at least six shows and surveys a year just along the I-5 corridor from Portland to Surrey, BC. When gas prices went up, entries and travel to shows went down. The economic climate has taken its toll on that. This year we have only two shows scheduled and BOTH are in B.C. None are scheduled in the region in the US at all. In fact, we don't even have a regional conformation show scheduled, despite the fact that USA's Regional Policy mandates a regional conformation show in every region.
I don't think we are going to receive definitive responses from AKC/WDA/USA until the end of the year.
by Maja Lee on 10 April 2010 - 14:04
Any news about this? if anyone knows,,,
by fasteddielv on 10 April 2010 - 16:04
Pulled from the USCA website.
Updated USA Breed Show Regulations
E-Ballot #2-10
Motion by Tim Burke, seconded by Craig Groh, to approve the updated USA Breed Show Regulations as proposed by the Breed Advisory Committee.
BackGround This is an update to add long stock coat classes and for clarifications, grammatical changes, renumbering, and organizational changes.
Yes - (19) - Lyle Roetemeyer, Craig Groh, Sara Wallick, Sean O’Kane, Nathaniel Roque, Tim Burke, Al Govednik, Johannes Grewe, Terry Macias, Frank Phillips, Jennifer Acevedo, Pia Blackwell, Arthur Collins, Jeff Govednik, Warren Jones, Dena McGowan, Thom Payne, Mark Scarberry, David Witmer
No - (0)
Abstain - (0) - M
No Response -(1) - Pedro Jimenez
Motion carried 3/4/2010
Updated USA Breed Show Regulations
E-Ballot #2-10
Motion by Tim Burke, seconded by Craig Groh, to approve the updated USA Breed Show Regulations as proposed by the Breed Advisory Committee.
BackGround This is an update to add long stock coat classes and for clarifications, grammatical changes, renumbering, and organizational changes.
Yes - (19) - Lyle Roetemeyer, Craig Groh, Sara Wallick, Sean O’Kane, Nathaniel Roque, Tim Burke, Al Govednik, Johannes Grewe, Terry Macias, Frank Phillips, Jennifer Acevedo, Pia Blackwell, Arthur Collins, Jeff Govednik, Warren Jones, Dena McGowan, Thom Payne, Mark Scarberry, David Witmer
No - (0)
Abstain - (0) - M
No Response -(1) - Pedro Jimenez
Motion carried 3/4/2010
by hodie on 10 April 2010 - 16:04
This post quoted here and from the posts above, shows complete lack of understanding of genetics. Yet this person is breeding and constantly offering advice? Laughable.
"Why the separate books?
What if a "coated" and "mole coat" (too short of hair) are bred, and the pups turn out having perfect stock coats.......?
Aren't the coated dogs used to keep stock from becoming too short?"
There is, by the way, a DNA test to identify whether the gene for LC is carried.
I have seen many long coated dogs who belonged in the gene pool for their correct temperament, health, and structure. I believe that this is, in fact, a good move, although if we really cared about the breed we might not make it so the dogs were in a separate breed book. There is a lot to be said for excluding such dogs from the gene pool simply because of coat length.
"Why the separate books?
What if a "coated" and "mole coat" (too short of hair) are bred, and the pups turn out having perfect stock coats.......?
Aren't the coated dogs used to keep stock from becoming too short?"
There is, by the way, a DNA test to identify whether the gene for LC is carried.
I have seen many long coated dogs who belonged in the gene pool for their correct temperament, health, and structure. I believe that this is, in fact, a good move, although if we really cared about the breed we might not make it so the dogs were in a separate breed book. There is a lot to be said for excluding such dogs from the gene pool simply because of coat length.
by mikadene on 10 April 2010 - 16:04
Also I have been told the stranglehold that the SV has had in Germany is about to be over. Another GSD Club will shortly come onto the scene. When I don't know , Can anyone enlighten us
by hodie on 10 April 2010 - 17:04
There is another club in Germany and I would not hold my breath that the SV is dead or dying or in some stranglehold. I do believe that there is needed change from within, but like in many situations, no change is ever quick enough and no one can agree in any case on what is and is not appropriate change.
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