How come those little brown dogs bite so hard? - Page 3

max, your joking right????

Beetree, how many dogs of each breed did they use to conduct this test?

Good luck winning this "discussion" Max,,,,,,,,,,,shear numbers cry out defeat.  You know the Shepherd folk get very irate when you call their dogs nothing but the best.  Maybe some videos of the DMC Malinois Korung compared to the GSD Korung will convince the naysayers.  (but I doubt it)  You could even compare (if you could call it that) a club level Malinois Korung to the UScA Sieger or NASS videos and still come out on top.

Don, this was just a test of three dogs, not a comprehensive breed comparison test. I put it up because it happened to show the GSD's number.

And there is another one showing a wolf taking a bite from a standstill and he beats out even the Rottweiler! I'll see if I can find it again.

I am finally glad to see some good discussion where we are "fairly" civil to each other but we don't have our noses up the other ones crack.

Max, I will agree that a lot of those lil red/brown dogs have a good bite despite their size giving up 15-30 pounds to most GSD's. Notice I did not say all of them.  I have the privilage of doing helper work for two of the best in the USA right now. Sue Borgen's Bosco, and Reed Raliegh's Ceasar. Both of these hit like bullet trains and have nice hard bites. Every once in a while they will even give me a bruise or two... Ceasar normally gives me a love tap to the groin and a claw rake on the side to go with it.

But... we have several shepherds here or that train with us that will down right "CRUSH" the sleeve and always leave my entire forearm bruised. I just know what to expect when doing their helper work now.

Overall I have to give it to the GS, not by much, but then again I have seen some crappy bites on both breeds too. Give me a fast, strong dog, with a good bite that puts his body into the bite and you will have all the take down power you need. We have a K9 unit that trains with us sometimes, nice czech GSD  female that when she trains on sleeve doesn't have the strongest bite just nice and full, but when on the street she has been known to pull a 200lbs man out of an attic. Maybe it is partly the dogs drives and state of mind.

Phil, the NASS? C'mon! Why not just compare your mali to the first GSD that shows up to the Petco parking lot?

 

Faq,
          I am not joking....
The bite of a dog is a very interesting topic,
most people don't realize how powerful
a dogs bite is.
Beetree is right numbers don't lie.
If we can talk about GSD's for moment,
and look at the variety you have to pick from.

1955  - Origin  / History In 1955, a German Shepherd Dog was crossed with a Carpathian Wolf in what was then the Czecho-Slovak Socialist Republic (CSSR). This biological experiment was done to prove that crossing a dog with a wolf can be done and that the offspring of the two can be reared as human companions. Both male and female wolves were used for this experiment. Most of the offspring were genetically fit for continued breeding.

Some of these dogs were add to the German shepherd line to strengthen and to give
 herding and pack drive...Much like the Dingo was add to the Kelpie in Australia.

A wolfs bite is much more powerful than any dog...So they also added a very hard
bite to these dogs. In Scotland the last wolves were seen in the 1700's....So as time went
by this old bloodline was diluted by domesticated dogs....
I am not getting into a debate about a wolf hybrid, merely puting the historical facts before you.
And you can decide for yourself...This important to understand the nature and traits to any
of the working dog bloodlines....I am not Joking...LOL

Beetree, that's kinda my point. The results of three dogs is hardly accurate. A proper test would be testing many more dogs of each breed and taking the average. Like Phil has pointed out, I wouldn't want the average GSD bite results to come from the NASS. Just picking any random subject is not a good representation of a breed. That's like asking Bob to run the 40 yard dash and saying that is the speed of all men.

Phil,
        As a decoy you use your skill and experience..never
look at the crowd and wonder what they are thinking.
When I was young I tried to win arguments with my
wife by using logic and tack....Until I realized she had
a female agenda, I had a male agenda...together they
come closer to the truth.....so both are needed.