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by Ibrahim on 20 September 2010 - 19:09
GSDPACK,
Thanks a lot for the nice words and the encouragement, you are right as usual, thanks.
Ibrahim
Thanks a lot for the nice words and the encouragement, you are right as usual, thanks.
Ibrahim
by Slamdunc on 21 September 2010 - 00:09
Ibrahim,
Wow, I think others have summed it up pretty well. I would definitely stop working with that decoy. What was he doing with the whip? The muzzle work was really horrible, I actually feel bad for your dog. I like the dog, but not the training.
Good luck finding a more skilled decoy.
Jim
Wow, I think others have summed it up pretty well. I would definitely stop working with that decoy. What was he doing with the whip? The muzzle work was really horrible, I actually feel bad for your dog. I like the dog, but not the training.
Good luck finding a more skilled decoy.
Jim
by Ibrahim on 21 September 2010 - 07:09
Jim,
Yes all who replied were on the same tone which means there is no doubt about the horrible training he had, as I said earlier I wish we had real decoys but we don't. The good thing is I did not get scolded for putting my dog in their hands, lol.
Ibrahim
Yes all who replied were on the same tone which means there is no doubt about the horrible training he had, as I said earlier I wish we had real decoys but we don't. The good thing is I did not get scolded for putting my dog in their hands, lol.
Ibrahim
by windwalker18 on 21 September 2010 - 08:09
I'm a novice with Sch H training... only ever trained one dog for PPD... others in obedience myself... But putting a muzzle on a dog that they are still teaching to bite seems very counterproductive. As far as the "helper" I play tug with my fellow rougher than he does with tempting the dog in aggitaion.
Run don't walk.... Save your next $400 and find someone else for sure before they ruin your boy. Best of luck, nice looking dog
Run don't walk.... Save your next $400 and find someone else for sure before they ruin your boy. Best of luck, nice looking dog
by Slamdunc on 21 September 2010 - 14:09
Windwalker,
When done properly muzzle work is very productive, it teaches the dog to bring the fight to the decoy. It is also a way to train with out equipment. In the video the muzzle work was done completely incorrectly. There is a proper way and technique to muzzle fight a dog and that was not it. The goal is to teach the dog that it can win in a fight even if it can't bite, that it can totally dominate the decoy and cause the dog to engage with more intensity. The decoy completely missed all of those points.
JMO,
Jim
When done properly muzzle work is very productive, it teaches the dog to bring the fight to the decoy. It is also a way to train with out equipment. In the video the muzzle work was done completely incorrectly. There is a proper way and technique to muzzle fight a dog and that was not it. The goal is to teach the dog that it can win in a fight even if it can't bite, that it can totally dominate the decoy and cause the dog to engage with more intensity. The decoy completely missed all of those points.
JMO,
Jim
by windwalker18 on 23 September 2010 - 04:09
Slam... I agree that bitework has great value... what I was seeing is that the dog is still not sound 100% on bringing a bite... to complicate those lessons by making it impossible to bite as a begining dog seemed counter productive.. The police and army regularily use muzzle work on trained dogs to teach that they can still win the fight even without biting. As Ibrahim said this was the 1st course I didn't think that muzzle work would be considered as yet... ?? Maybe I'm wrong, just seems like it would confuse a dog in early work and make them feel less secure on going in on an attack
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