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by beetree on 24 August 2010 - 20:08
Ruger1, a bit creepy for me, too...
how one gets from abused child to underperforming pup was a real stretch for me.
how one gets from abused child to underperforming pup was a real stretch for me.by geordiegaviino on 24 August 2010 - 21:08
by beetree on 24 August 2010 - 20:08
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You did leave out the doggy connection in your OP, Geordie. But since others are into your sentiment, carry on. lol
Yes, cause it would of made the post about dogs and not about the idea of opening your eyes to the wider world. The love of dogs founded this site but i think many of the people who post have forgotten about the world around them
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You did leave out the doggy connection in your OP, Geordie. But since others are into your sentiment, carry on. lol
Yes, cause it would of made the post about dogs and not about the idea of opening your eyes to the wider world. The love of dogs founded this site but i think many of the people who post have forgotten about the world around them
by VomRuiz on 24 August 2010 - 22:08
Dog & Child related...Both are happy and both are disciplined :-)
I've heard that many people who beat their kids also beat their dogs :-(
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I've heard that many people who beat their kids also beat their dogs :-(
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by beetree on 25 August 2010 - 00:08
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by CrysBuck25 on 25 August 2010 - 04:08
There is a huge difference between a swat on the backside and a sharp word, and beating your child.
When I was a child, I was expecting to maintain a certain level of respect and, for lack of a better word, deference, toward my parents and others. Failure to do what I was supposed to do could result in a number of types of correction, including a good spanking on the backside, putting my nose in the corner, getting my mouth washed out with a bar of soap, and occasionally having to pick up every speck off my dark brown bedroom carpet, when I wouldn't get in gear and clean up my room.
None of those punishments turned me into an abused, low-self esteem victim. I never swore, talked back to my parents, or vandalized people's property. When I was little, about six, I wrote all over a wall with a pen. I was made to scrub every trace of that ink off that wall, a process that took almost all day. Ink does not come off paint very well, not with the soap my parents had. But you know what I learned? Not that my parents were bullies and I was a victim. What I learned was that actions have consequences. Writing on the wall meant removing that writing. My parents were smart enough to know that some actions merit a good spanking, and others merit some really, really hard work.
Now we are told that spanking our children damages their "self-esteem". You can't yell at them, you can't correct them, you can't touch their person without their express consent. And now we have more vandalism than ever, rude, mouthy teenagers have become the norm, as they "feel their way through the maze to adulthood". The discipline has gone out the window in favor of what the kid wants.
Then you have the ones who are cruel, abusive parents. You have those who do things to children that just tear my heart out. A child that particularly got my attention was one I heard about last year, in Spokane, Washington. The little girl's name was Summer Phelps, and as I recall, she had been beaten, shaken, burned with cigarettes, lots of other things. She was three, little strawberry blond girl with a happy, loving smile. The idea of what that girl endured..Rates right up there with the torture endured by prisoners of war, and her torturers were her parents.
A spanking is one thing; child abuse is something else. Check out the music video for Martina McBride's song, Concrete Angel.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtNYA4pAGjI
The song was one her recording company didn't really want to put out, especially not as a single. They felt the subject matter, like that of "Indepence Day" was too controversial, dealing with child abuse to the point of death as it did. When I watched that video, it made me have to sit, to avoid collapsing, and I cried. How can someone hurt a child? I don't get it.
For those who know country music, and Martina specifically, you'll note that "Independence Day" was a song about a woman dealing with domestic abuse by burning her house down, with her and her husband inside, leaving her child an orphan.
www.youtube.com/watch This is the link to "Independence Day".
Abuse is no jo
When I was a child, I was expecting to maintain a certain level of respect and, for lack of a better word, deference, toward my parents and others. Failure to do what I was supposed to do could result in a number of types of correction, including a good spanking on the backside, putting my nose in the corner, getting my mouth washed out with a bar of soap, and occasionally having to pick up every speck off my dark brown bedroom carpet, when I wouldn't get in gear and clean up my room.
None of those punishments turned me into an abused, low-self esteem victim. I never swore, talked back to my parents, or vandalized people's property. When I was little, about six, I wrote all over a wall with a pen. I was made to scrub every trace of that ink off that wall, a process that took almost all day. Ink does not come off paint very well, not with the soap my parents had. But you know what I learned? Not that my parents were bullies and I was a victim. What I learned was that actions have consequences. Writing on the wall meant removing that writing. My parents were smart enough to know that some actions merit a good spanking, and others merit some really, really hard work.
Now we are told that spanking our children damages their "self-esteem". You can't yell at them, you can't correct them, you can't touch their person without their express consent. And now we have more vandalism than ever, rude, mouthy teenagers have become the norm, as they "feel their way through the maze to adulthood". The discipline has gone out the window in favor of what the kid wants.
Then you have the ones who are cruel, abusive parents. You have those who do things to children that just tear my heart out. A child that particularly got my attention was one I heard about last year, in Spokane, Washington. The little girl's name was Summer Phelps, and as I recall, she had been beaten, shaken, burned with cigarettes, lots of other things. She was three, little strawberry blond girl with a happy, loving smile. The idea of what that girl endured..Rates right up there with the torture endured by prisoners of war, and her torturers were her parents.
A spanking is one thing; child abuse is something else. Check out the music video for Martina McBride's song, Concrete Angel.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtNYA4pAGjI
The song was one her recording company didn't really want to put out, especially not as a single. They felt the subject matter, like that of "Indepence Day" was too controversial, dealing with child abuse to the point of death as it did. When I watched that video, it made me have to sit, to avoid collapsing, and I cried. How can someone hurt a child? I don't get it.
For those who know country music, and Martina specifically, you'll note that "Independence Day" was a song about a woman dealing with domestic abuse by burning her house down, with her and her husband inside, leaving her child an orphan.
www.youtube.com/watch This is the link to "Independence Day".
Abuse is no jo
by Ruger1 on 25 August 2010 - 04:08
CrysBuck25.....very thoughtful post...I never knew that song was about that...............sad.......
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by CrysBuck25 on 25 August 2010 - 05:08
It is sad, Ruger1...Tragic. The full implications of that song never hit me until the first time I saw the video. As I said, I could only sit, my eyes swimming in tears, glued to that television. What a haunting, beautiful, tragic song...Tells a very important message.
On this board we tend to talk about our main subject, dogs, and anytime a dog is beaten, abused, or killed, people cry out for blood. "Hope the bastard rots in hell for beating that poor dog!"
I love dogs, but when I think of all the children dying in the world everyday, victims of casual cruelty from the very people they should be able to trust and depend on...that's what gets MY blood boiling.
Crys
On this board we tend to talk about our main subject, dogs, and anytime a dog is beaten, abused, or killed, people cry out for blood. "Hope the bastard rots in hell for beating that poor dog!"
I love dogs, but when I think of all the children dying in the world everyday, victims of casual cruelty from the very people they should be able to trust and depend on...that's what gets MY blood boiling.
Crys
by geordiegaviino on 25 August 2010 - 12:08
Martina McBride's song, Concrete Angel has always brought a tear to my eye. It was never released here in the UK but i found it on Youtube about a year ago and i couldnt stop listening to it
by VomRuiz on 25 August 2010 - 13:08
"I love dogs, but when I think of all the children dying in the world everyday, victims of casual cruelty from the very people they should be able to trust and depend on...that's what gets MY blood boiling.
Crys"
I could not agree more! I had heard a long time ago that there were laws protecting animals BEFORE there were laws protecting children... I just went to double check it before I quoted it, and sure enough I found a thread on another message board about it.
www.cafemom.com/answers/350255/Did_you_know_that_there_were_laws_against_abuse_of_animals_before_there_were_laws_against_child_abus
Crys"
I could not agree more! I had heard a long time ago that there were laws protecting animals BEFORE there were laws protecting children... I just went to double check it before I quoted it, and sure enough I found a thread on another message board about it.
www.cafemom.com/answers/350255/Did_you_know_that_there_were_laws_against_abuse_of_animals_before_there_were_laws_against_child_abus
by VomRuiz on 25 August 2010 - 13:08
Sorry the link messed up the page
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