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by ShadyLady on 20 August 2010 - 13:08

Bob, even the best planned, well thought out breeding can have problems, but even so the odds are in your favor of this being a good litter. Max's rules are a good guideline on how some things are within your control, but most are not. If you over analyze, you'll make yourself crazy.

by beetree on 20 August 2010 - 13:08

This is what I don't get about breeders. When you are looking for certain disposition traits you rely on observing the dam and sire. Also, the progeny history? So if you don't want certain disposition traits, like known aggression towards dogs or people, why ISN"T that something other than a crap shoot? Why is it the good traits are laid at the feet of good breeding , and bad traits are laid at the feet of gambling odds?

by Bob McKown on 20 August 2010 - 13:08

All the traits are part of the equasion and half to be prepaired for. I still don,t like calling the production of a litter a "crap shoot" and won,t . But this is not a average breeding it is a very tight line breeding so more concern should be taken for the out come and the placing of the pups.

The gentics and traits from 4 and 5 generations back have even more influence on the litter because of this type of line breeding.

by beetree on 20 August 2010 - 14:08

And I would expect that from your breeding, and thank goodness you are experienced and aware of what you are producing.

I just worry sometimes, that less experienced breeders or their buyers will read stuff like this and end up believing just the parts they want to, instead of acknowledging breedings that do show negatives that need to be addressed, not brushed off with, " Oh well, genetics are so unpredictible, who can expect anything, really?" (I wont say crap shoot, then, but I have heard it on here expressed in those terms, many times.)

by ShadyLady on 20 August 2010 - 14:08

Luck is when preparedness meets opportunity. It's not a crap shoot when you do your homework, evaluate the pedigree, observe, etc., as you have a very good chance of success. But wanting a 100% guarantee for a certain outcome won't be found in genetics.

by Bob McKown on 20 August 2010 - 14:08

I completly understand that, I just want to load the dice in my favor.

by beetree on 20 August 2010 - 14:08

ShadyLady, I learned long ago, that the world isn't fair and there are no guarantees in life.

Bob, you say you put weight on the pedigree back to the 4th and 5th generation. This seems contrary to what others have maintained, that it is the immediate dogs in the pedigree that should be considered as the major influences in a dog's traits. But that could be because I don't understand how this is different for a close line breeding like you are doing?

by ShadyLady on 20 August 2010 - 14:08

Beetree, people with decades of experience in dogs are breeding negative stuff over and over again. It's not just the newbie who is wanting put their male and female together. I mean, why clean up your act and do the right thing when you keep selling puppies? Idiots are everywhere and at every level. More breeders should be like Bob and ask and think and ask and think.

by beetree on 20 August 2010 - 14:08

Good point, ShadyLady!

by Bob McKown on 20 August 2010 - 14:08

Bee:

I don,t know if you have seen the pedigree I,m looking to breed take a look and tell me what you think.

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/para.utkoma?fadir=509123&modir=588801

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