Nicest showline males at stud in USA? - Page 3

What about Teejay von Wilhendorf? (If you like the big, hunky black and reds.) That dog has been a big winner in the USA.

I really like Yash, littermate to Yukon, whom everyone should know.

Personally I like 4xVA1 Gittano Semper Wictor IPO3 KKL1.  He is a super dog and produces wonderful puppies.  Not only are they beautiful but their working ability is incredible.

Look to Gorbi Kirchenwald for a superior producer of anatomy and powerful drive structures.  No, Gorbi does not have Natz's admirable black mask.  Yes, Gorbi has an enviable massive head structure and overall powerful masculinity that Natz lacks in spades.  No, Gorbi does not enjoy X-Box's absolute medium size.  Gorbi is a powerful, large (within the standard) stallion-type male.  Dominant for excellent forehand structure and normal rear-angulation.  (Gorbi is a bit ahead of his time in the over-angulated rear correction of late.)  Pictures of Gorbi at www.kirchenwald.com

Hello again
had a few pm's about Frisco - so here is the link to his ped :

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/588612.html

Hope this helps.

Ulli

"Xbox is at Drachefeld with Charlie Starr.  I believe he is owned by a kennel in Toronto but the Drachefeld team show Xbox and their location is more convenient for stud services.  Charlie is our regional director and came up for our club's affiliation trial May 2.  He had Xbox with and two Xbox progeny.  I think he said Xbox is going to be shown at the Canadian regional so he will at least be with Charlie until then."

VA X-Box dei Precision is bred and owned by Precision German Shepherds (Ontario, Canada)
He is standing at stud with Charlie Starr at Drache Feld In KY through Oct/10.
Extremely sound dog, producing same. Medium large, also recommended for large females and improvement on head.

To view pics and see Kòr report visit:
http://www.precisiongermanshepherds.ca/Xbox.html

Are there any videos of the dogs mentioned above, doing protection work?  Including stick hits, guarding?  I'd be interested in seeing them work, before I'd be interested in how black their mask is or how red their pigment is.

molly

Molly

One of the things that I have slowly learned over the years (and which I suspect you also very well know) is this:

1. The average person shopping for a GSD only wants an impressive looking dog that would look good on the couch, on the frontyard playing with the kids with a remote hypothetical possibility that it might be able to work.

2. Out of the top 100 showline male dogs and the top 100 showline female dogs in the US that are rated highly in conformation maybe 6 in each category have earned there SchH 3 titles more than once and probably only 2-3 have actually stepped on any championship level trial field let alone passed.... .... In the US I have known of only 3 showline dogs that acquitted themselves credibly at a level higher than the club field in recent years..... and these are

• VA rated Fabian vom Mittelwest (male) who won the Universal Sieger Title handled by T. Floyd
• V rated Ule vom Temar (female) who won the Universal Siegerin title in 2008 handled by Karen Sinclair
• V rated Juneau vom Haus Tyson (male) who lost the contest to Ule in 2008 but has nevertheless a credible working record at higher level trials.

3. While the possibility always exists that more showline GSDs may possess working ability than are actually recognized, the truth remains that such a possibility is only in the realm of speculation and is belied by the hard facts that I have quoted above.

Ravi Iyer

Yes Ravi, I know.  But when talking about the "nicest showline males at stud in USA" - one should be sure to balance the conversation by mentioning the dogs' work.  I don't personally care if a dog has won the SS or US or is VA rated.  I have seen the protection "test" at the SS, both in this country and in Germany.  I can normally count on one hand (often one finger) the dogs that are ACCEPTABLE to me in the work.  Not "impressive" - acceptable.  If I were looking for a show-line stud dog, I would then take that one or two dogs that I felt were acceptable, and see them work in training/practice situations - hence the request of a video to balance the conversation about how good looking the dogs being recommended are.

I happen to know that several of the dogs mentioned in this thread failed the protection tests at Seiger Shows on both continents.  And yes, that does matter to me, as the owner of a show-line female who I like to breed to show-line males to produce a good-looking black/red dog with good drives and temperament for the work - as the breed is supposed to be balanced.

molly
Eichenluft
http://workinggermanshepherd.com

No contest on any of those points with you....

but do not be surprised if you find yourself to be the lone voice in the wilderness.... my internet name is lonewulf for a reason....

Ravi Iyer

I have seen Xbox be worked (guarding in the blind, some long bites, etc).  I've seen him do the "courage tests" at two shows (I think) but do not remember how it went because I had little interest in him at the time.  But I saw him get worked by our club's helper two weekends ago and he seemed OK to me.  Obviously not going to challenege the top BSP participants, and I'm a novice so I don't really understand all of what I'm seeing.  What made me like Xbox is the temperaments of his progeny.  Not just working ability but watching how they interact with their owners, other dogs, other people, how they work and act in a totally foreign environment.  I know it takes two to tango but I've seen progeny of his from several females and all walk out onto the field very at ease, happy, and confident like any field is their home field.  To me, how the progeny are turning out is more important than the stud dog himself.  I like to see puppies that are "freed up" and just having fun with their owners without showing too much anxiety or suspicion or being hopelessly distracted by other dogs and people.  The puppies I saw worked (all under one year, three different dams) griped full and hard and didn't let go for anything.  They were not hectic or thrashing at the pillow, they just clamped on it like a cat pouncing a mouse and held firm but remained calm.

Ork has been repeatedly noted for good working temperament.  I DO remember his bitework at a show, it stood out to me (again as a novice) as one of the best if not the best.