Troll von der bösen Nachbarschaft - educated opinions please - Page 3

Over here if a Puppy bites you and you show the Guys  the teeth marks all you get in reply is GOOD DOG
Cracking looking little Pups though
Steve1

Thanks, Steve1. I'm sure not complaining! This litter is heavily linebred on Yoschy and I think I got what I was after. LOVE those bloodlines. First time out, they bit the rag and hung on for dear life...not going to have to teach THAT. 

This is my little girl.  Oh, not so little anymore.  I am a first time handler and she has taught me many things.  She is an absolutely wonderful working female and I am lucky to have her as my first working dog.  She is 4-4 on Troll and I have asked Koos Hassing about his opinion on breeding.  He says I should breed close into the Nick Heiligenbosch segment of the Fero line based on his analysis of my girl's pedigree.  She has been described by those more experienced than I as having a very good balance of drives.:
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/544018.html

"i am not fond of the mink/fero breedings. however, there are folks who have bred and trained these dogs very successfully. "

Could you  or someone elaborate on that further please?  What is it that you don't like about Fero X Mink?

I've heard others mention that also, and I'd like to know exactly why.  
Maybe anyone who knew Fero or Mink could tell me a little about both of them, since both my dogs have Fero, and one has Mink and Fero.

Thanks!

I don't want to derail this thread, hopefully the OP won't mind. 

Red Sable, If you like to get rid of those two puppies I can do you a favor and take them under my wing

Red Sable
Are you talking about Mink v Muikenshof, if so he was bred and trained by a friend of mine over here in Belgium, he turned out many good Dogs with several Daughters becoming top class breeding Females
Steve1

steve, not talking about LINK muikenshof.  i have him in aces......i mean a bunch of times.......in several of my dogs.  no complaints there!
red sable, MINK wittfeld was a fine dog and produced well if bred properly.  as i said before, based on my own personal experience, i don't care for the mink/fero cross.  i know a gal in MN who has a wonderful crok grandson that makes me take back everything i ever said about crok & mink.  :)  bottom line, i just see more success in keeping mink with the other "greif" dogs.  also, i will add that a little mink goes a long way.  there are other dogs the same way.  you see them once in a pedigree - fine.  you see them more than once and you see what you want to avoid in that line.  jmho, but when breeding on mink choose partners with high degrees of trainability, compliant.  choose partners that have sufficient prey drive, but not excessive.  choose partners that do not exhibit any sort of handler aggression and choose partners that have normal elbows.
pjp

funny , every great dog with troll in the fourth or fifth generation , is a great dog because of that .
how about every crappy dog with troll in the fourth or fifth generation , also to blame on troll
anybody realize howmany dogs worldwide have troll  in the fourth or fifth generation , and none of them is good or bad because of troll, being way back , but because the combination of parents was good or not

better look at the dogs your breeding with instead of whats already fallen off the paper pedigree
5-5 linebreeding is as good  as any outcross , especially if the dog your linebreeding 5-5 on is not closely linebred himself

just my 2 cents about this

Thanks pjp!  Was Mink a hard handler aggressive dog?  Fero too?  Is that it? 

Actually, I like that kind of a dog

My female is not in the least, although, she can be hard headed at times.