Dogs Dying from Microchip - Page 3

ID tags on a Collar do the same thing!



Chipped Dogs Develop Fast-Growing, Lethal Tumors
Medical Reports Point To Link
Between RFID Chips And Canine Cancers
By Katherine Albrecht AntiChips.com (RENSE News)
3-25-10


In 2007, The Associated Press reported on a series of veterinary and toxicology studies that found that microchip implants had "induced" malignant tumors in some lab animals.

Published in veterinary and toxicology journals between 1996 and 2006, the studies found that between 1 and 10 percent of lab mice and rats injected with microchips developed malignant tumors, most of them encasing the implants.

Animals first, Humans next.

Yes Ugly, we all can read what your real issue and agenda is here as is exactly what Albrecht's issue is. If you read the studies, you realize that very, very few animals, and mice to boot, developed tumors. There are MILLIONS of dogs who have chips and millions more will be chipped. There is always risk in anything one does. Next it will be the Jews and Israel behind it all....

Uglydog, you're wasting your time...Those who support microchipping will always find a way to argue.  You could have a study from Cornell University, with ten thousand dogs, that proved, without doubt, a link to cancer, and someone will come up with a reason that the study is flawed or mistaken...It's the nature of the beast.

Collars and tags can be removed, but so can a microchip.  It would only take a small incision to remove it.  I guess folks don't realize that.  Regardless, it can and has helped get missing dogs home.  I personally don't like that Oakley is microchipped but it can't be helped, and our other dog is not and will not be.

As for the vaccine issue...It is a proven fact as far as humans go that improved sanitation and basics such as hand washing have done far more to eradicate disease than any vaccine has ever, or will ever, do.  Research has proven that.  Hodie's remark above about thimerisol not being the bad thing people wanted to make it out to be is unfounded.  Mercury is a deadly poison, regardless of its form...And Thimersol, as I recall, is ethyl mercury, which is actually a neurotoxin, meaning it is damaging to nerve tissue.  If you choose to allow it to be injected into you because you fear an infection of some pathogen, then by all means, go for it.  But some who choose not to vaccinate are not doing so out of ignorance, or irrational fear, as is suggested by some here.  It is done based on examination of far more than just the "for it" studies. Mercury is bad for you, aluminum is bad for you, formaldehyde is bad for you..You get the idea.

As for the reduction of disease in animals, one could surmise that improved sanitation could easily account for a great deal of that, as well.  One hundred years ago, your dog living in the house with you, eating in the house with you, getting bathed regularly, and given clean water was a lot rarer than it is today.  Even a lot of vets are deciding that maybe vaccination isn't the great thing, and recommending far less than in past years, and more and more people doctors are beginning to question their training and protocols....Why is that?  Are they devolving in intelligence?  Are they acting in ignorance?  Doctors with years and years of experience, bucking the trend?  I wonder why, if there's no indication that something is rotten? There are more every year, no question about it.

Lastly, in regard to two cases of measles in the "homeschooled children" (which, by the way, doesn't mean they were not vaccinated), there was an outbreak last fall in New York City of mumps, as I recall...seventy five percent of the cases were in fully vaccinated children.  The city health department was scratching its collective head trying to figure out why these "fully protected" children were able to contract and become fully infected with the disease.

This will be my only post on this thread.  I imagine Hodie will post here, and start implying my ignorance as she has done before, and that's fine.  I have my own opinions and thoughts, based in large part on many hours of studying the research studies, the anecdotal evidence, and the opinions of doctors and scientists, from both sides of the spectrum.  It is this research that has given me the foundation to make the choices I have made, and I stand by them, one hundred percent.

Crys

The goal of all this is to keep anyone from dying, and make sure everyone lives longer, but the problem I have with that is that what's the point of living longer if you are sick, suffering autoimmune diseases, allergies, asthma, cancer, and a host of other conditions?  If vaccination in dogs leads to autoimmune diseases in our dogs...Is it behind the higher rates of autoimmune diseases in humans

I won't bother to respond Chrys except to say that you do not know much about most of the things you post here. Make whatever choices you like. But don't post unsubstantiated claims about things you know nothing about. By the way, I hope you don't eat fish of any kind, because if you do, you are likely getting more mercury, methyl mercury, in your body than you would like. I wonder what you eat that does not contain some "deadly poison". When you have taken many courses in toxicology and can conduct a conversation with real knowledge about what you speak....come back....

And get off the fence on most issues you post on. Your posts are inane. You try so hard to be miss goody-goody and most people find it simply irritating. And did you find a way to send $5 to the family with the dog needing help? Or just continue to make excuses about why you can't. There are plenty of others here far worse off than you who did something about it rather than to simply post a "teary" email.

Hodie,

I wasn't going to post again, but I felt it was needed to address your unsubstantiated claims...

You have absolutely no idea what my financial status might be, nor do you have any idea what others' status might be.  I do not have five dollars to spare at the moment.  I don't even have one dollar to spare at this point.  The economy which is flourishing, according to the vaunted experts, has forgotten my little neck of the woods, and I am not living on government handout money, either.  Extra money ran out almost a year ago.  I keep my kids, and my dogs, fed, but other than that, I have no spare change, not even in a jar.  I don't waste money on TV programming anymore, because it's not necessary, and the only reason I have this internet is because of a two year contract that we have a year left on.  You wouldn't know that, because you don't know me.

You don't have any idea what my education might be.  It is easy to poke sarcasm at someone and tell them they are ignorant, and it probably makes you feel a lot better when someone points out something you don't agree with, and you come in, all guns ablaze, to put them down.  I like the way you say I should take classes on toxicology and then come back and debate with you...You know how toxic these things are.  There is no doubt about that fact.

It doesn't take years and years of college education to be smart.  What it does take is the ability to see multiple sides of an issue, not just the one touted by a college professor or a scientist who is, after all, only a person and prone to making mistakes.  At some point, a person must weigh all available information, and decide where they stand on a given issue.  I have done so.  Apparently, so have you.  Good for you.

As far as toxins in my food, I don't eat much fish, for that very reason, and what I do eat is caught from streams where the mercury content is non-existent.  I grow my own garden for food, and that serves two purposes:  One, it saves me money on groceries, which in this miserable, failing economy, fraught with rising costs and less return on investment than ever, is a good thing; Two, it gives me control over what ends up in much of my food.  I don't have city water, so I don't have all that poison coming into my home, and I'm not cooking with what amounts to toxic laundry water.  I avoid the overprocessed, destroyed, non-nutritious garbage in the stores as much as I can, because it is a waste of money.

As far as "being on the fence on most issues I post on", the simple fact is that I take the middle road when dealing with an issue in most cases, because there are usually valid point in both sides.  I have stated that before, though you seem to have missed that somewhere.  Instead of trying to see where I am coming from, and others, you start typing away at a post meant to insult and belittle, hoping to make those of us you deem uneducated trailer trash just go away and bow to your superior intelligence.

Well, I'm not going anywhere. Nor am I going to belittle you as you have done me.  There would be no point.  I consider myself be a good enough person to steer clear of that road...There's no good to found down it.  You are a knowledgeable person on some things, but you do not know everything, just as no one knows everything.  My grandfather had a saying: "When there's nothing left to learn, it's time to die".  He meant that you were here to learn something new everyday, and if you got to the point in your life where you knew everything, your purpose here was fulfilled and it was time to exit.  This board is open to the public, and I will continue to post here when I see a thread I feel like posting to.&n

I got cut off...

I have debated people with Ph.D.s on many occasions, and I wasn't cowed by their years of college. And if I choose to ask a stupid question, I will, since that's how we learn. The stupid question is the one you never asked.

Kindest Regards,

Crys

You see neither the middle of the road, nor do you have the knowledge apparently to fully understand issues from both sides based on what you write. I could care less whether you have or do not have any degrees. What I care about is people using the internet to post opinions as fact, and that essentially is what you do, if you can find a side to take.

I won't bore others with my financial situation Chrys, but like others here whom I know are in financial straights, I made a contribution to the family of the dog, and to many others here who have needed help in the past. It meant I went without. But I did it rather than just post some "Sorry I can't help" post. 

I could care less what you believe, but at least try to do some real research and see BOTH sides before you post some of the stuff you do. Finally, you started this one, so I will call you out on it and each time you do it. You don't take the middle of the road, you post nothing most of the time. You act as the parent trying to separate the fighting relatives, but say nothing. Most people here laugh at it. No one ever said you are trailer trash. That is your term. Does it mean that is how you think of yourself? I hope not. You, like some others here, are intellectually just plain lazy. There are plenty of people here who have no real formal education who have the ability to know an opinion is not fact and who also really do see issues like risk vs benefit in a manner that allows them to make a decision. No one cares how you do things. If you don't like the chip in your dog, go have it removed. As you said, it is not a big deal to do so. I don't care how you feed, how you train, what you eat, or whether you believe vaccinations are evil and unnecessary. I don't care. But when you post about stuff like that as if it were fact, if it is not proven and is only your bias, then be prepared for rebuttal. 

I bear you no ill will, but as I said, you started this one and I have said what I have to say. 

I respect your opinions, Hodie, on some things.

I do find it a pity, though, that you feel the need to belittle those whose opinions do not mesh with yours.

I have never seen you "call out" anyone who was pro-vaccine, pro-chipping, pro-anything based in science, but I have seen you tear down anyone who dares to say anything against what you believe is right, which shows that you are basing your feelings on opinions, your opinions, rather than on any fact, which is what you accuse me of.

I have repeatedly asked you questions, asking for you to clarify your positions on certain things.  But your responses, while void of ill-will, hold NO answers whatsoever, just sarcasm.

I have based my opinions on facts, on reading research.  I have spent many hundreds of hours reading research from the medical industry, on the research provided by those who question the standards and intents of that medical industry, and on the opinions of doctors and veterinarians both for and against certain proceedures and activities.  I found my place to stand.  I have weighed benefits and risks, and made my choices based on them.  It is both illogical and ridiculous to assume that if my opinion differs from yours, that that makes me stupid or ill-informed.

As I stated before, there is an increasing number of doctors and medical professionals who now question the conventional medical wisdom of vaccinations.  They are educated, intelligent, and have vast experience in this field, and still they question it.  Why, Hodie?

As for the outbreak of mumps in New York City, since I first read about it, it has infected more than 1,500 people, in New York and New Jersey.  I didn't realize the scope of the outbreak...It's still going on.  And the majority of cases are in vaccinated people, in those who have received the recommended two doses of the MMR vaccine...Think that's my opinion?  Read this link:
www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5905a1.htm  This is the CDC update report on the outbreak, complete with vaccination stats on the affected people..

I am not going to argue with you.  It is obvious to me that you are not willing to examine things from any other angle than that of the medical profession.  That's OK, but I cannot blindly follow anyone, whether you believe that or not.  I leave you to your beliefs, and I'm signing off.

Kindest Regards.

Crys

What does the mumps outbreak have to do with anything? If you read the report carefully, as I did long ago, one realizes that there are a lot of reasons why the outbreak has occurred, continues, and why the outbreak happened in the first place. There are a lot of reasons why a given vaccine works or does not work, takes more than one does. This is a special population and there are also cultural factors that likely play a role. Further, the mumps component of the vaccine is not a vigorous in eliciting complete immunity for many people and this has been known for some time. And if you read it carefully, you also will see that making certain that all people have at least 2 doses, rather than the single dose many had and which clearly were not protective, is more efficacious. In some people and some situations, that 2 dose regimen may not be enough. That does not mean the vaccine is horrible or evil or useless. So what is your point? It was not even the topic here and where you got off on this is beyond me. Vaccines sometimes fail and there are a host of reasons for this but I am not going to waste my breath trying to elucidate that for you.

As you know, I disagree with you on many points, but it is not so much that I am in favor of this or that, as I am responding to your trying to make your opinion fact. I post often on various topics simply to counter some of you who post opinion as fact. You actually don't know my stance on some issues. And no, though there are some doctors/vets who question conventional wisdom of vaccination, thankfully, this remains a small group, spurred on by just the kind of hysterical and irrational reporting that we see all the time on the internet. Who cares about science or facts  when opinions will do?

Glad you agree to disagree, because it is a waste of time otherwise.

I read that report too, and found it interesting that it was a religious based summer camp where this all started in the US. The outbreak actually began from a UK boy, that brought the mumps over here because the UK  was having their own outbreaks. There is quite a bit of anti-vaccination happening over there, so no wonder they experience outbreaks.

I disagree that the report amounts to "a scratching of collected heads", because it is actually very well documented. It is worth noting that the CDC conclusion states the US made vaccines are still reccommended and effective, though protection in these cases had diminished over time. IMO, the answer wouldn't be to stop the vaccines, but perhaps another booster, especially for males of a certain age might not be a bad idea.