USA "Loyalty Cards" - Page 3

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The really interesting thing is that if you read the GSDCA AKC results you see a ton of German, and German bred dogs - and guess where some come from?  Breeder Members of USCA  and WDA.  So its slowly changing without any of our direct particpation -

Regarding moral high ground - according to the last information I got, the SV rule on membership in another club is only in regards to people holding office and being a member, a judge etc. meaning a person of influence. I am not an officer of the SV nor of RSV2000. So there is no moral high ground to take as that is the appropriate use of conflict of interest. It is also being challenged in court and has made it to the appeals level.

At that point, I guess some of the USCA judges will have to choose between their membership in RSV2000 and the SV and their license, if indeed any are members are both. But for me its not an issue because it does not affect a rank and file member.

crashkerry - you are right, no one is going to do anything about anything - its takes an individual to ante up money for an attorney to file a challenge with the State - on the IRS front, they do have bigger fish to fry, however with the past history with the IRS, USCA could be under closer scrutiny . Even when there is nothing wrong, the IRS always finds something.  The remark I made regarding USCA's incorporation purpose speaks to being able to challnege it in the State of Missouri - it clearly singles out GSD people and no other members - being incorporated as an entitiy to license clubs to hold trials etc. logic would say you cannot just single out a group of people because of what kind of dogs they owned.  Technically all other clubs who offer SchH trials are compeittion for USCA - so why just GSD's when the legal entity is not a breed club. 

My point in responding to all the talk here is that If you belong to any one group, you never see what is going on elsewhere, you limit yourself.  If you educate yourself by reading only one book, you are not really educated.  I don't beleive in party lines nor any club, group or organization telling me they are the only game in town - that is something that immediatly makes me suspect.

Bottom line on this whole thing - is that I have still yet to see any reason for the bylaw change nor any facts to support Lyles open letter and did not adress how these exclusionary memebrship bylaw amendments would implement anything he alluded to.  It was all a pretty flimsy rationale without any basis or fact.

"I've never seen that issue made,"

Yes you have.  I just made it, and believe me, I'm not the first to have expressed it.  That a German organization would desire to dictate the behavior of a person outside of its own organization is not surprising to Americans.  That an AMERICAN organization would decree what an American can do outside of said organization is repulsive to many Americans.

If I want to only belong to USA, fine, I can, there are no restrictions put on me, but if someone would like to belong to an organization that USA doesn't like, they cannot.  Therefore membership in USA is not equal.  What next?  Will USA decide they don't like ADOA, or DVG, or the Libertarian party  and restrict us joining those, too?

I agree that (obviously) the rule is in place, and USA members either accept it or change it, so we'll see what happens.

I don't like the idea that the current UScA isn't the club I joined. Hell, when I joined it, it WASN'T a German shepherd organization. Therefore, there's no reason for me to rejoin something that isn't what I joined to begin with. I LIKE training with all different kinds of dogs and people. But our club is still trying to figure out if it can be a UScA affiliate with two new Rottie people in it. If UScA is a GSD organization, how COULD Rottie people join? Very confusing to me. And if all members have to be UScA, how can our club remain UScA? By kicking out the Rottie people? Even though our actual club is open to all breeds? SHEESH, now we have to re-write our bylaws too. And, if it's ok for the Rottie people to join, then how can UScA actually be a competing GSD organization with WDA, which actually IS a GSD organization????

I have a headache again.

'If UScA is a GSD organization, how COULD Rottie people join?'

Because they have money.   Rottie and Dobe and Beauceron and anybody else can join - they pay their dues to USA and they're in.  USA is welcoming to all.  To all EXCEPT other GSD people.  Go figure.

So your Rottie friends can join as long as they don't join another GSD org.

"And if all members have to be UScA, how can our club remain UScA? By kicking out the Rottie people? "

Not necessary.  The Rottie people just have to pay their money.  USA will be happy to take it.  But yes, all your club members must be USA members to remain a member club.  My club is in that position now, as we have a number of people who belong to other organizations.  We are blessed with club members who have SchH 3 dogs who also have AKC obedience titles, and we also have WDA members.  These are wonderful people, so thanks to USA, we must now either kick these people out of our club, or we must leave USA.  Great, huh?  Thanks, USA.

Is it any wonder people are angry at this new rule?  What a terrible, awful thing to do to GREAT people who LOVE the German Shepherd Dog and who walk the walk by breeding drivey, good tempered dogs who excel on the SchH field as well as in the world of all-breed obedience trials and Therapy Dog work.  So no, I don't believe for one minute that this rule is about "preserving the breed," as though these people are not doing a fine job with their GSD who can do more than USA offers.

and btw, we just had a club meeting: there's no way we're kicking good people out.  The people in our club who are USA only and always will be USA only agree that this is a STUPID rule, and since our 2010 membership has already been paid, we're in USA for one more year and if this rule doesn't change, we'll have no choice but to leave.  It's either USA or salt of the earth people who have been good for us, good for USA, good for SchH, and good for the GSD, and USA doesn't want them.  Well, we do.

Could not one join one of the AWDF member clubs and still compete in UScA trials whether one wants to sign the pledge or remain a member due to the new by-law?

Well if you're a USA helper your screwed unless you don't mind giving up your helper status. Yes you can join another AWDF club but anything regional or high requires a USA membership regardless of breed. So if you're content with nothing but a club trial you're good to go.

Keith Jenkins

So basically...ANY club that has SOME members who want to go WDA has to go totally WDA. Well that sure makes me think UScA has stepped in it.

Also, to say that a UScA member cannot join any OTHER GSD organization MEANS THAT UScA CONSIDERS ITSELF A GSD ORGANIZATION. I don't see how, if it will take Rottie and Mal and Schnauzer and Dobie money. They ain't GSDs. They'd have done better to just say they didn't want their members to belong to any other SCHUTZHUND ORGANIZATION. 

This pledge of loyalty business makes me think of McCarthyism. I don't see how anybody with a sense of history could stand it.

Stupid rule that won't last very long.

SS

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Wow Mystere, that's really weird that you would PM me and then block my PMs back to you. I wasn't even going to argue.