AKC has approved the recognition of working dog titles!!!! - Page 3

My prediction: (Assuming the Mayans are wrong and we don't all disappear 12/21.2012) After the WUSV in 2013, GSDCA will eliminate Or swallow up WDA. Then, AKC will go back to its stance prohibiting biting sports, no longer list schutzhund titles on pedigrees, and return to pretending that dogs don't bite. Except for pitbulls...unless it decides there is enough money in registering pitbulls...and the pit foks agree to a name change...

Elkoorr stated:

Just this year we had a dilemma going on at our Agility trial as one exhibitor corrected her dog outside the ring and it had been observed by a couple who disliked this. A complaint to the AKC by the couple about "dog abuse" during an AKC trial followed. Even tho she was not associated with our club, we were "scolded" by the AKC and it took a few weeks to settle everything. Not the nicest experience.
--------------------

What method of correction was used ?

If it was a AKC event it was probably a stern "NO" and freaked all the "you only train with love and affection" people out. 

I would like to give another perspective based on what I am seeing and not what has been. First, I think that everybody knows when it comes to the breed I don't compromise on working and have aleinated some show people because I speak out on  the lack of working traits that has become so commonplace today. Having  said the aforementioned, I must say that I have seen a lot of movement within the American german shepherd people in past 5 years. I have seen a lot of GSDCA people that are getting German showline and German workingline dogs because they recognise what the ASS has become. I remeber people 10 years ago crucifying GSDCA and AKC (myself included) for the state of the breed and many saying they would never change. Then a movement got off the ground in the GSDCA (WDA) and they were seeking to conform to international standards. Well, again many people here said GSDCA/AKC will NEVER let them do grip sports yadayadayada. Then WDA got off the ground, they lasted for the three years, started clubs, had conformation shows, and was accepted by SV. Still, people said that AKC would never recognise this arm of the GSDCA thus in essence they were not legit in their eyes. Now, AKC has acknowledged and will recognise international titles, they are hosting WUSV, and the SV has expressed approval.
My point is I see a steady progression by the WDA towards the same standard as the FCI. Regardless of what the American Show breeders think, the WDA branch is growing, its conforming, and people within their own ranks who were old ASS breeders and handlers are acquiring the european type dogs as the USA members possess.
Folk, I don't think this train is going to stop or fold, I think the ASS has been declining for the past 20 years.(Heck look at the German Shepherd Reveiw today from what it used to be,its barely a periodical now).
I don't have a dog in the fight as I have been members of both this year, but I won't lie to myself about what is happening, and I won't try to hinder but onlyhelp those that are seeking to improve the breed. I see the WDA trying to do the same thing as USA. I see them tearing down barriers in their own house that have been deeprooted and prove they are for real. I see the momeentum being with WDA, and continuing to go against the ASS. And lastly, I don't see the AS people railroading this because they have become so small in numbers and so many defections that they don't generate the revenue to sway AKC to try to reverse this. WDA is here to stay.JMO

My prediction: many people who feel disaffected with USA will leave (already 9 new WDA clubs in a matter of a few days) and may join the both the WDA and the GSDCA. If people who adhere to the FCI breed standard flock to the GSDCA, they will become the majority over time and be in a position to revise the AKC breed standard.

Actually, the AKC breed standard is not terribly different from that of the FCI--only minor differences such as angles of croup/pastern, height to depth rations, length to height ratios, off-color dogs, etc. The problem of the winning AKC specialty show dogs (the American Shepherd) results from breeders who continue to breed what the AKC judges put up in the show ring. Things may change if the judges are gradually exposed to more European dogs and to a revised breed standard.

As for AKC, that organization is only an all-breed registry. As such, that organization cannot require different breeding standards and prerequisites (and titles) for other breeds than they require for the GSD.

Bob it happened to me years ago with my old Tiekerhook dog too.  I was at an agility trial just for shits and giggles, a friend ran agility lessons at her house, so we learned and went to a few trials.  Anyway I was at one trial at the practice jump, my dog was not paying attention started to go around the jump,  I gave him a "hey" and a leash correction  with the fur saver.  From across the ring a lady stands up with her two swamp collies and starts yelling at me for correcting my poor, poor  doggie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! hahahhah. 

http://www.germanshepherddog.com/

Lyle says to the membership that USA is a "breed club" when, in fact, first and foremost, it is a "performance club".

DVG will be able to be used as this has nothing to do with "breed" titles this is about working title

From the AKC statement: Effective December 31, 2009, at the end of a three year trial period, the
Board voted to discontinue the Working Dog Sport. Moving forward the AKC
will record Working Dog titles earned in events held by existing organizations,
if requested by a breed Parent Club. The organization must be approved by
the AKC Performance Events Department. Titles to be recorded require Board
approval. The recording of the title on an AKC pedigree will be done at the
request of the dog’s owner for a fee set by the AKC. In addition, AKC clubs
will be permitted to invite the other organization to hold its Working Dog
event in conjunction with the AKC club’s AKC event, as long as it is clear in
the publicity that the former is being held under the auspices of another
organization.

Now the SV is offering help?

I have been involved with this for the last 2 or 3 years and to my knowledge the SV is not involved with the AKC in any direct manner.

My prediction: (Assuming the Mayans are wrong and we don't all disappear 12/21.2012) After the WUSV in 2013, GSDCA will eliminate Or swallow up WDA. Then, AKC will go back to its stance prohibiting biting sports, no longer list schutzhund titles on pedigrees, and return to pretending that dogs don't bite. Except for pitbulls...unless it decides there is enough money in registering pitbulls...and the pit foks agree to a name change...

Hey, I don’t doubt there will be some type of GSD club backstabbing in the next few years. They are good at that shit. Has there ever been a 5 year period without it? But just because the GSD folks are problem children does not mean that the program will fail. Contrary to what many people think the world does not always revolve around GSD club drama. If GSDCA somehow absorbed or eliminated the WDA that would not stop the other breed clubs.

Lyle says to the membership that USA is a "breed club" when, in fact, first and foremost, it is a "performance club".

Lyle is right. They call themselves a breed club within the AWDF. They are not allowed to issue scorebooks for breeds other than the GSD. Performance clubs can issue scorebooks to any breed (DVG, USMRA and soon NARA). They only allow GSDs in there championship. USCA is a breed club.

Louise and Gustav

thank you for your words.  lets hope this is the way things will go.

some people say "stay usa and fight the change".    for me, im going to go the other ways and try to make a change.  it seems it would be more productive to inform and educate than to battle with those who seem to be stuck in their ways. 

john

Folks, I am not anti-USA by any stretch of the imagination. I have a problem with the position of the SV in reference to RSV2000. Same principle and I see things the same way. I will support any group that helps continue the GSD as a working dog and I am silent in my support of forums like the American Specialty Shepherds. History is learned to profit from with your actions, if USA and WDA are both trying to keep this breed working why wouldn't I support them. JMO