What supplements do you add to your dogs kibble? - Page 3

First off,
What is it in your dogfood that is lacking?
What condition do you feel your dog has that requires supplements?
Would you rather feed your dog natural ingredients, or chemical compounds?
Yes you can over supplement your dog Franquie.

What is it that you are looking to accomplish with supplements?

Moons.

Mine are fed a UK working dog food and recieve no supplements, I used to give the dog with ED Cosequin but since commencing this food 2 yrs ago he doesnt need them
A complete food is just that complete.
Vitamin C causes
*Kidney stones and calcium oxalate urinary crystals
*Liver and kidney dysfunctions
* Glandular problems
* Excessive diarrhoea
Your dog's body produces Vitamin C in sufficient quantities to meet their daily nutritional requirements.
There are also cases documented of Vit A toxicity, from feeding excessive amounts of raw liver
Biotin deficiency from feeding raw eggs daily
No doubt Two Moons can come up with various other forms of vitamin toxicity

What is it in your dogfood that is lacking? Nothing in particular that I'm aware of.
What condition do you feel your dog has that requires supplements? Again, nothing that I am aware of.
Would you rather feed your dog natural ingredients, or chemical compounds? Natural ingredients... But don't have the time unfortunately.

What is it that you are looking to accomplish with supplements? Just looking to improve the food that they are eating, and make them as healthy as possible. I want my dogs to live a long life (:

MEAT!!!!_------>meat is the best suplemant!
Any kibble dog food is a inferior, out of ballance, live enzyme void  substitute for meat aka as FAKE.
Some people recommend raw diet. Which is great except I am little worried about parasites even so they should be destroyed by deep freeze. I feed chicken (Beef, Pork, chicken feet, beer heart, pigs tail, chicken gizzards....)lightly cooked with pasta, pinch of sea salt, into it I mixed blended raw carrots or apple always mixed with parsley. You can ad 1 tea spoon of fish oil. It is cheaper than most "high quality" of kibble, does not cause bloat as readily, it is a live food with live enzymes where kibble is dead and if raw or this mixture is 10 then even best kibble is minus 3. Kibble dog food  and any supplement is just trying mimic meat. So called high quality kibble is always improperly balanced which makes dog to develop many problems amongst some, I believe, induces bad hips in genetically prone dogs to it. 
Do not feed your dogs stuff made by CHEVRON:)!
Prager Hans
http://www.alpinek9.com

I cannot agree with Prager regards kibble feeding It is not what you feed but how you feed it, over 60 years of keeping dogs of various sorts from a terrier to G.S Dogs Border Collies,  Bull Massif, Bull Terrier, etc never had one with any form of skin problem. never had bloat etc in fact no problems but old age beat them,  It is the way you feed and how much you feed any animal or bird which gives it good health, plus a few basic supplements whether they be from your own table or bought ones, For the last 6 years i have been feeding top of the range kibble with as less grains and fillers as i can exclude the Dogs are or were always fit no skin problems and no bloat,
I still give my Dogs Cauliflower or Cabbage or Carrot mixed in there evening kibble i just cook a little more for the two dogs, As for feeding what Prager does then he should come and live here in Belgium for if you are an ordinary working Guy or on Pension you will have a job to feed yourself what he gives his Dogs you would not afford here in Belgium to feed Dogs that way or even Raw, You can buy cheap dog food with a load of grain and Beet Pulp, but in the long run it does not pay but that is only my opinion, I look at the condition of my two Dogs then compare them with a lot of other dogs condition who i know are feeding a less costly Kibble with a lot of grain, and do you Guys know these people have been keeping G.S Dogs for years and years but do not concern themselves with what a kibble contains, for there dogs work well never get problems but lack that shine i think mine do, So who is right at the end of the day
it is personal preference and what one can afford in the times we are now living most folk have to cut back on everything so i guess the dogs have to as well But i expect we will all survive on a less costly diet
And right too for when i was a kid in the 2nd World War we had very to little eat , very little indeed, and sure never got fat on it
Bread and Dripping was the main diet meaning the lard from Pork spread on a slice of bread, We drank the water from the Cabbage and Carrots when it cooled down when we could get them it was never thrown down the sink
When we were interviewed by a top Paper over here and they printed a little story of why we moved to Belgium and a little about us i told them the same as here they could not believe it
 Plus the Top Belgian TV channel 1, has just made a film of us to go along with the paper story, primarily the reason why we moved to Belgium for they too could not understand why we did although they were told, I guess it makes a bit of news and of course brings our name to the fore a little in the pigeon sport over here
Going back to the feeding of Dogs if i could afford it i would feed them a Raw diet but it is not possible in these times
Steve

Franquie,
I feel the same way towards my dogs.
Thats why I do add natural whole foods to my dogs diet, meat, veggies, some dairy products, a nice bone once in a while.
But I don't go in for fads, pills, or miracle cures.  I am not pressured by competition to give my dogs this and that supplements, nor do I have health problems to deal with that would cause me to keep a dog on medications.
I don't buy the cheap food, and I don't buy the designer foods (expensive).   My brand does contain grain and by-products, doesn't bother them or me.
A dog should be able to thrive on just about anything if given enough of it.   Proper exercise is just as important.
A lot depends on the dog truth be told.
My dogs surprise me sometimes, Maddie will steal low hanging Peaches off my tree's and steal tomatoes from my garden.
The pup has learned she likes these things as well, they never turn up their noses at anything I have left over from a meal, meats scrap, juices, green beans, cheese.
I use canned salmon a lot.
I only watch out for spices, onions and peppers, dogs fart !!
Try to find a source for bones and meat scrap, add an egg once in a while, a little bit of cheese is always good.   Don't be afraid of table scraps just keep it simple.  See if they like any kind of fruit, apples, peaches, even a banana on rare occasions.  Rolled oats is probably the best of all the grains.
Its not rocket science, and simple is always better.   Don't make sudden, drastic changes in the diet.
Always keep water plenty and fresh.   Lots of exercise and a clean place to live (feces free).

Moons.

To Steve1

In Czech we did not have until lately granulated food. There ware no bloats almost at all.
 Than came the convenience of granulated dog food. There was bloat much common after that.
That is proof for me.

Cost:
          Wallmart chicken 10 lb ......$6
                -II-       pasta     10 lb.......$8.75
                                          1 apple...$0.50
                                           parsely..$0.10
                                      sea salt......$0
              1 tea spoon of fish oil......$0.20
               water..................................$0
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               Total                                    $15.55
If you ad water you will get at least 30lb of super dog food. for $15.00 This is about 1/2 of the cost of of the fancy shmancy foods out there.

All commercial dog foods are mimicking meat you can not improve on mother nature or God or whatever you believe in.
Granulated dog food is dead.  Meaning ALL enzymes are dead, cooked , freeze dried, irradiated killed by chemical. Also Granulated if you would see what they put in granulated dog foods you would wretch. Remember the thousands of dogs and cats killed by ingredients from China!?

I mentioned somewhere else my famous test: Put granulated dog foot outside on the sun and next to it put meat.
Leave it there for 3 days.
Granulated dog food is the same. Meat is rotten and full of maggots. Question to ask: 
WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO FEED YOUR DOG FOOD WHICH NOT EVEN MAGGOTS WANT TO EAT?!!
Prager (Hans)
http://www.alpinek9.com

Hi Prager
Untill 2years ago I fed raw for over 15 years, then had a young dog develop severe adverse reactions to the majority of meat proteins so switched to a duck based kibble, but no cr** in it, I do have to keep it in an air tight contain otherwise the flies are atracted to it, could be the high oil content who knows? in nearly forty years around the breed I have never had 1 bloat no matter what it is fed, even last year when one got into the food bin and ate nealy 5kg of the food!
Pam

Prager
Yes, i have not disagreed with you, but if you live here tell me how you can feed two Dogs Raw or the same as you do on meat cooked etc or otherwise
Two small Chicken portions weight 8ozs cost 9.4 USA Dollars
2.6lb of Chicken Legs cost 9 USA Dollars
Beef costs more by one third at least about 18 USA Dollars for  a lb in weight not the best cut at that
You cannot buy the hearts in the supermarket or the offal
If you go to a Slaughter house i have to travel 3 to 400 kms, so overall it is not cost effective for they will not be giving it to you
I could of course eat dry bread and feed the Dogs as you suggest, but then in all probability they would soon need another owner, I tried it once before and the cost was far too high we do not all live in the land of plenty like the United States
Just for the record recently someone on this forum put the price of a house with around 10 acres of ground on here the cost a shade under 300.000 Dollars all in i think.
over here you would pay one million USA dollars for the same house and amount of ground if you were lucky
As i said we do not all live in the USA, but i sure am not jealous, but we cut our cloth to suit
Yes i have have kept dogs for around 60 years  so know the cost of feeding them only too well
And even water costs money over a year if you cook with it i pay the same or there abouts of 2.500 USA Dollars a year for water, so do not move to Belgium and expect to get the same as you pay for over there at your prices
This was the one thing i did not consider when i moved here, the cost of living is very high indeed
Steve

Just for interest, if you have a small diesel driven car with a 1.9 liter engine in it how much does the full insurance and road tax cost in the USA for one year to put it on the road
Over here it costs me 2.200 USA Dollars a year how does that compare to the USA
Steve