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by sueincc on 22 July 2009 - 20:07
Riiiiight, because Karl Rove, the King of Sleaze said so.
What's really hillarious is some of you wingnuts who are jumping all over Ugly for his far fetched conspiracy theories are the exact same people who believe equally far fetched conspiracy theories about Obama. All of you deserve each other, you really do.
What's really hillarious is some of you wingnuts who are jumping all over Ugly for his far fetched conspiracy theories are the exact same people who believe equally far fetched conspiracy theories about Obama. All of you deserve each other, you really do.
by CrysBuck25 on 22 July 2009 - 20:07
Oh, come on guys...
Why do you bother arguing with each other???
Raymond, you know that Sue is a die hard, pro Obama person. That's her choice, right or wrong.
You are not an Obama supporter, which is your choice, right or wrong.
You can't convince someone that their views are wrong, especially not with arguing.
Those who see a danger in oversized government will have to do what they can about it, and we'll wait and see who's right about the problems. That's all that can be done. The two of you arguing about this is pointless, as is digging up dirt about sue and posting it here. Who cares?
Crys
Why do you bother arguing with each other???
Raymond, you know that Sue is a die hard, pro Obama person. That's her choice, right or wrong.
You are not an Obama supporter, which is your choice, right or wrong.
You can't convince someone that their views are wrong, especially not with arguing.
Those who see a danger in oversized government will have to do what they can about it, and we'll wait and see who's right about the problems. That's all that can be done. The two of you arguing about this is pointless, as is digging up dirt about sue and posting it here. Who cares?
Crys
by keepthefaith on 22 July 2009 - 20:07
SM said: factcheck is a left wing propaganda machine
sm makes a rare departure from her usual copy and paste routine and actually types a few words of her own ...................................and gets it wrong!
sm, perhaps you should stick with copy and paste!
From the factcheck.org link:
The Annenberg Political Fact Check is a project of the Annenberg Public Policy Center of the University of Pennsylvania. The APPC was established by publisher and philanthropist Walter Annenberg in 1994 to create a community of scholars within the University of Pennsylvania that would address public policy issues at the local, state and federal levels.
The APPC accepts NO funding from business corporations, labor unions, political parties, lobbying organizations or individuals. It is funded primarily by the Annenberg Foundation.
From the link below:
Keenly in touch with conservative politics throughout his life, Annenberg counted among his friends many national leaders. He was named U.S. Ambassador to Great Britain in 1969 by President Richard M. Nixon. Annenberg was a close friend of Ronald Reagan and introduced the U.S. president to Margaret Thatcher, future prime minister of Great Britain
www.usc.edu/uscnews/stories/8362.html
sm makes a rare departure from her usual copy and paste routine and actually types a few words of her own ...................................and gets it wrong!
sm, perhaps you should stick with copy and paste!
From the factcheck.org link:
The Annenberg Political Fact Check is a project of the Annenberg Public Policy Center of the University of Pennsylvania. The APPC was established by publisher and philanthropist Walter Annenberg in 1994 to create a community of scholars within the University of Pennsylvania that would address public policy issues at the local, state and federal levels.
The APPC accepts NO funding from business corporations, labor unions, political parties, lobbying organizations or individuals. It is funded primarily by the Annenberg Foundation.
From the link below:
Keenly in touch with conservative politics throughout his life, Annenberg counted among his friends many national leaders. He was named U.S. Ambassador to Great Britain in 1969 by President Richard M. Nixon. Annenberg was a close friend of Ronald Reagan and introduced the U.S. president to Margaret Thatcher, future prime minister of Great Britain
www.usc.edu/uscnews/stories/8362.html
by sueincc on 22 July 2009 - 21:07
Crys it might be easier for you to believe everyone who supports Obama is some kind of die hard fan, but the truth of the matter is much less dramatic. Most Americans saw him (and still see him) as simply the better person for the job, nothing more, nothing less. It's unfortunate that sometimes we do find ourselves in the odd position of spending much of our time defending him against the unwarranted, bizarre and unfair attacks of those who only want to see Obama fail, no matter the cost. I am talking about people who are so desperately clinging to these silly conspiracy theories, no matter what.
There are several people on this board who's political opinions I value, though they are different from my own. The difference is we can express our opinions about the actual issues, intelligently and respectfully, without resorting to personal attacks or name calling. In fact I relish these discussions because many times I see an issue from a different perspective and gain a better understanding for it.
I have not commented directly to Raymond even once on this thread nor on any other since his filthy remarks about Obama being lynched, and his disturbing and continuous use of the "n" word, and I have no plans to address him anytime in the foreseeable future. As far as "digging up dirt about sue", I'm not worried, if he works hard Raymond might even come up with some of that awful stuff MJD80 did about me looking for diet tips on Oprah or the fact that I supported Obama in the election. Maybe he can go all Karl Rove on my ass and publish my real name, it's been done here before.
There are several people on this board who's political opinions I value, though they are different from my own. The difference is we can express our opinions about the actual issues, intelligently and respectfully, without resorting to personal attacks or name calling. In fact I relish these discussions because many times I see an issue from a different perspective and gain a better understanding for it.
I have not commented directly to Raymond even once on this thread nor on any other since his filthy remarks about Obama being lynched, and his disturbing and continuous use of the "n" word, and I have no plans to address him anytime in the foreseeable future. As far as "digging up dirt about sue", I'm not worried, if he works hard Raymond might even come up with some of that awful stuff MJD80 did about me looking for diet tips on Oprah or the fact that I supported Obama in the election. Maybe he can go all Karl Rove on my ass and publish my real name, it's been done here before.
by CrysBuck25 on 22 July 2009 - 21:07
Name calling is pointless, Sue.
I don't care what color Obama is...He's not black, not fully, and he's not white, just somewhere in between. Regardless of that, he's already failed.
Raymond's comments aside, from where I sit, he's thrown billions of dollars at a financial crisis caused by spending too much in the first place, and you and I both know that to get out of debt, you have to cut spending, not increase it. The health care reform is just another way of lobbing money at a problem, without actually changing it, and the ones who will suffer are the old, the infirm,and the young.
I am not interested in arguing about any of this, because I know you have your opinions on the subject. I do not hate Obama; on the contrary, I pity him. I pity him because he was given an agenda, and it's one that will cause the American people to hate him, despse him, once they see what is to come. It's not a conspiracy; it's a fact. The most positive estimates I've seen of this recession/depression we're in now has another year or so before we start to see any real recovery, and many others predict that it will be much worse, for much longer.
I have no faith in the way things are going, nor do I have any faith in the people at the helm. These are people who have shown they have absolutely no clue as to how to solve problems, not even their own, and for them to be in charge of the future of my country...That's a thought that is truly saddening.
Unfortunately for those like me, the majority of the electoral votes that put a president in office come from places with higher population densities such as large cities, and therefore more people who are okay with the idea of more big government. Overall, there are far more people who want to be left alone, allowed to own their own land, breed and train their dogs, refuse whatever they feel is wrong, and defend the right to continue to do this, but those people live in areas with lower population densities, and therefore fewer electoral votes.
That said, putting McCain in the White House wouldn't have been much of an improvement. Just more of the same, but with a little less determination to legalize things like partial birth abortion, embryonic stem cell research, gay marriage, and other hot issues. What I really think that is that we need a president who is not wealthy, but has always been a solid person financially, morally, and ethically. That person shouldn't be allowed to be a lawyer, but military experience should be a must.
And he shouldn't be allowed to hide anything. When you are the leader of a country, you are the leader, and nothing should be hidden. If you've got something to hide, you've got no right holding that position.
GWB wasn't a great president. Neither was Clinton, or Reagan, or the old Bush, or most of the presidents that came before them in the previous several elections. Too bad we can't get George Washington out of his grave...He'd turn the world on its ear and clean up the country.
Of course, if he were running for president today, he'd be ignored, called a racist, prejudiced, everything else, and all for simply standing up for what he believed to be morally right...Sad.
Crys
I don't care what color Obama is...He's not black, not fully, and he's not white, just somewhere in between. Regardless of that, he's already failed.
Raymond's comments aside, from where I sit, he's thrown billions of dollars at a financial crisis caused by spending too much in the first place, and you and I both know that to get out of debt, you have to cut spending, not increase it. The health care reform is just another way of lobbing money at a problem, without actually changing it, and the ones who will suffer are the old, the infirm,and the young.
I am not interested in arguing about any of this, because I know you have your opinions on the subject. I do not hate Obama; on the contrary, I pity him. I pity him because he was given an agenda, and it's one that will cause the American people to hate him, despse him, once they see what is to come. It's not a conspiracy; it's a fact. The most positive estimates I've seen of this recession/depression we're in now has another year or so before we start to see any real recovery, and many others predict that it will be much worse, for much longer.
I have no faith in the way things are going, nor do I have any faith in the people at the helm. These are people who have shown they have absolutely no clue as to how to solve problems, not even their own, and for them to be in charge of the future of my country...That's a thought that is truly saddening.
Unfortunately for those like me, the majority of the electoral votes that put a president in office come from places with higher population densities such as large cities, and therefore more people who are okay with the idea of more big government. Overall, there are far more people who want to be left alone, allowed to own their own land, breed and train their dogs, refuse whatever they feel is wrong, and defend the right to continue to do this, but those people live in areas with lower population densities, and therefore fewer electoral votes.
That said, putting McCain in the White House wouldn't have been much of an improvement. Just more of the same, but with a little less determination to legalize things like partial birth abortion, embryonic stem cell research, gay marriage, and other hot issues. What I really think that is that we need a president who is not wealthy, but has always been a solid person financially, morally, and ethically. That person shouldn't be allowed to be a lawyer, but military experience should be a must.
And he shouldn't be allowed to hide anything. When you are the leader of a country, you are the leader, and nothing should be hidden. If you've got something to hide, you've got no right holding that position.
GWB wasn't a great president. Neither was Clinton, or Reagan, or the old Bush, or most of the presidents that came before them in the previous several elections. Too bad we can't get George Washington out of his grave...He'd turn the world on its ear and clean up the country.
Of course, if he were running for president today, he'd be ignored, called a racist, prejudiced, everything else, and all for simply standing up for what he believed to be morally right...Sad.
Crys
by MaggieMae on 22 July 2009 - 21:07
Annenberg -- also Obama and Bill Ayers
by sueincc on 22 July 2009 - 22:07
The 2008 Presidential election results are not a matter of opinion, but of fact. Obama not only won won the electoral college (365 to 173), he also won the popular vote (69,456,897 to 59,934,814). It was a great miscarriage of justice that 3,285 ballots belonging to overseas members of the military were discounted, but obviously, those votes would have not changed the outcome of the presidential election:
http://www.onenewsnow.com/Election2008/Default.aspx?id=317624
I hear you, I realize not everyone in every part of the country is happy with the outcome of the election. You can't satisfy all the people all the time. Isn't it about time though to put it to bed, give the man his due, accept he is the president and move on?
http://www.onenewsnow.com/Election2008/Default.aspx?id=317624
I hear you, I realize not everyone in every part of the country is happy with the outcome of the election. You can't satisfy all the people all the time. Isn't it about time though to put it to bed, give the man his due, accept he is the president and move on?
by trace755 on 23 July 2009 - 13:07
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by keepthefaith on 23 July 2009 - 22:07
Two prominent conservatives - Bill O'Reilly and Michelle Malkin - have come out saying that Obama was born in Hawaii.
I guess they have just lost the support of the wacko wing of the Republican party!
www.examiner.com/x-3108-Baltimore-Republican-Examiner~y2009m7d23-Enough-of-the-Obama-birth-certificate-debate-he-is-a-US-citizen
Check the link in the article for BR's video making the statement that he has seen the birth certificate and here is the link for Malkin's statement:
michellemalkin.com/2008/12/05/truthers-to-the-left-of-me-truthers-to-the-right/
I guess they have just lost the support of the wacko wing of the Republican party!
www.examiner.com/x-3108-Baltimore-Republican-Examiner~y2009m7d23-Enough-of-the-Obama-birth-certificate-debate-he-is-a-US-citizen
Check the link in the article for BR's video making the statement that he has seen the birth certificate and here is the link for Malkin's statement:
michellemalkin.com/2008/12/05/truthers-to-the-left-of-me-truthers-to-the-right/
by raymond on 23 July 2009 - 22:07
Ok so those two has beens are gonna tell the truth?
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