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by jayne241 on 12 May 2009 - 22:05

zdog - good post.

Like I said before, I think it's important that we remember the past. Humans used to be much much worse to each other... In feudal Europe (white-on-white), in the pre-Colombian Americas ("indian"on-"indian"), etc. I think we are getting better as a society. Feeling sadness/remorse for past atrocities helps us become more advanced, more compassionate, IMHO.

by Sunsilver on 12 May 2009 - 23:05

Ugly will probably find a way to blame it on the Jews....

Red Sable, have you ever visited a reservation? If not, you have no idea the sort of conditions most Native Americans live under. Here in the Canadian north, many reserves don't even have street lights, or safe drinking water. To throw someone raised under conditions like that into a large city, and expect them to adapt, and be a sucess is wishful thinking.

As for 'free' education, I just saw the story of the black boxer, Hurricane Carter aired on T.V. the other night. He was jailed for 20 years for a shooting he never committed. He was charged simply because he was in the area the night the shooting happened, and he was black, and had a rap sheet. The young boy, Lesra, who helped prove his innocence was (IIRC) in Grade 6 in school, and could niether read nor write when a Canadian couple took him under their wing, and took him home to Canada.

He now has a Master's degree, and is practising law in Vancouver.

That's not saying the American education system sucks, just that there is a HUGE difference between a school in a ghetto, or other impoverished area like a reservation, and a school in a wealthier area.

by vonissk on 12 May 2009 - 23:05

Moons thank you for your comments and for bringing the topic up. Yes I watched all 5 episodes and I was very surprised at some of the things I saw n there. TRUTH--you're right that will never be in history books. Red Sable you are wrong. The Natives do appreciate things because their ancestor's bloo paid for all these thngs we supposedly get free. Yes I am Native, I do have a card , my first language was Chickasaw, and Ilive in th heart of my Nation. And I am damn proud of it. I don't think the show is about trying to ake anyone feel guilty--it's just to show the truth and things from a Native perspective. This is't 3-4 generations back--one for some of us. I have a friend here who is a full blood and even she has told me some horrific stories about boarding school. As did my father, my uncle, and my grandmother. I live with racism everyday because even in the great state of Oklahoma, a lot of people don't like te Natives. Sad part is they don't even know why. Truth is every time you buy smokes at the smoke shop or you pull the levaer at the casino, you're not supporting me, you're supporting the school systems in OK because yes we pay taxes. I don't know what they do everywhere but I know about my tribe. Whoever you are and whatever race you are be proud of that. The past is the past and yes it is sad but it is the past.

by buckeyefan gsd on 12 May 2009 - 23:05

everyone in this country gets 12 free years and how many of any race,creed or region use it to its fullest?and as for native americans we took the good rich soil and gave them shit and the dont appreciate it.how dare them.put them in a dessert fenced in with their former enemies and they just dont show us any appreciation.thats not to mention the damage of alcohol and smallpox.

by justcurious on 13 May 2009 - 00:05

i'm of mixed race and here are a few experience i've had: i was flying and got stuck in an airport due to bad weather and a white guy in his late 20's came and sat by me. he was flirty and chatty. the conversation turned to thanksgiving (it was that time of year) and it's origins and in this conversation it came out that i am part native american. he immediately stopped talking and looked at me then got up and walked away without a word. when i met my future father-in-law the first thing he said was "don't make her mad she might scalp you". at a park with other mothers, whom we had been going to the park with for some 3+ yrs, i happened to mention i was part native american and within 3 months my kids and i had been shut out of all activities and conversation ... these are but a few stories.

racism is alive and well and all white people - inlcuding us mutts - need to own the problem because we inherited it. it is the only way to really change things. instead of just brushing it under the rug passing it off as 'a thing of the past' or "not my problem" does nothing to lessen the racism. it's just like pollution - it doesn't matter who dumped the toxic waste we all are left to clean up the mess.

once we each own our own part and then take on a bit more then we can hope to actually 'walk our talk' and diminish racism for real. bottom line deal with it and stop acting like you are above, because the truth is none of us are. it is a dirty messy truth and the more you deny your own personal issues surrounding racism, no matter how small you might believe them to be, the longer it will take us to move past it.

by SitasMom on 13 May 2009 - 03:05

too moons - before you go and get all ashamed of the white race

please read micheal medved's "10 big lies" book, and then do a bit of research for your self

these pissant liberals are minipulating history and destroying our country.

be proud of who you are.

by BabyEagle4U on 13 May 2009 - 03:05

vonissk .. that was NOT the truth about Wounded Knee. That was a down right mockery of the truth.

It's no wonder why Two Elk wasn't aired in the broadcast.

by vonissk on 13 May 2009 - 05:05

Babyeagle were you at Wounded Knee? No I wasn't there either BUT when it happened I was going t school in Northern OK and the Siouxs came down into the Ponca's place lots. So I'd say I was in the mix.................now what wasn't right about it?

by Two Moons on 13 May 2009 - 05:05

I am proud of who I am.... as an individual.
I know my own heart and trust my spirit to be true.
I also just deleted my lengthy response because its not worth the effort to argue my beliefs about my original post.
Man is no different than he has ever been, perhaps I'm ashamed of the human race.
I learned a long time ago race has nothing to do with whats in a mans heart.
Genocide, slavery, war, and racism still exist, and who is it that rules most of the world today?
He who takes without asking.

by Two Moons on 13 May 2009 - 05:05

vonissk, and BabyEagle,
You can disagree over details, but history speaks volumes and cannot be denied.

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