stringing dog up - Page 3

I have had a few shy/fearful dogs, dogs without courage but no fear biters. The kind that don't turn their fear to fang make fine pets. I say we can't save them all, spend your time on those more deserving.

I kind of agree 4pack.

I see no reason to save them all.

I hope i did not confuse any of you you because i was responding to a post back in July 08 and after writing it it said it was to old to respond to so i made it a new post so if someone does a search again for my name i had the chance to defend myself.  I enjoyed reading all your responces.  Pretty hot topic huh?

In Leerburg's "dominant dog collar" video I was shocked when heard how casually he mentioned that you have to wait until the dog passes out AND then comes to!!
.I don't know- I was interested in buying one of those collars for Kaiser ONLY for when I am trying to control him around dogs in what he perceives is his territroy. The prong seems to make him worse.
The cops I know ( some of them use the correction e-collar) but I have been just  avoiding walking with other dogs around and doing structured leash walking NEAR other dogs until he knows I am in charge-I don't know I am trying everything! 
He is not dog aggressive he just picks and chooses who he wants to pummel He obviously does NOT see me as his pack leader .  My bad:(

I am working on it though!

I agree, when one deals with fear agression, one shouldn't promote even more fear. When dealing with an alpha bitch who wants to kill the male dog that is near her.............for no reeason other then its a male dog next to her.........one must somehow show the dog who's alpha...........and quickly!

With my dog, the struggle was long, for many weeks at our club practices she would be fine with all other dogs, except one. She she saw that dog, even from many yards away, her hackles would come up and she went crazy. She wanted to kill. She was never attacked or abused by this dog, she was never even within nose distance to this dog. For what ever reason in her little pea brain she just hated him.

I tried many, many different ways to gain her attention and or to stop the behavior. She was fixing to be kicked out of the club as we do not allow dog to dog agression. My last straw was to string her up. I did it once and it worked. Stringing up isn't done to the point of oxygen starvation. That would be counter productive. It done just long enough for the dog do know that your are serious and that behavior is not acceptable. It is done only on last resort when other ways have failed.

The two dogs are now on friendly terms.

"Stringing up isn't done to the point of oxygen starvation."

You didn't do it that way, but the recommended way (Leerburg and Koehler) is to hang the dog until the dog passes out cold and takes some time to recover. No surprise that this has killed some dogs--it's easy to miscalculate.

GSDKatrina, you are right the prong will escalate dog aggression and is not the best choice for dealing with dog aggression.  An E-collar may or may not work on your dog.  It works well on my police K9 for dog aggression, but you really need to know the nuances of using an E-collar properly.   All dogs react differently to the E-collar, my dog is fairly hard and doesn't have an adverse reaction to it.  First, as you said you need to be the boss.  You must assert yourself as the alpha.  This can be done through obedience training and consistency in all of your daily routines the dog. 

For dog aggression you could try a sponge dipped in Tabasco sauce. You simply put the sponge on the dogs nose as he becomes aggressive, it will stop the behavior and not escalate the aggression as a prong collar can. The Tabasco has no lasting effects and will not affect the dogs tracking ability.  It is easy and doesn't require much strength or skill, it's also effective.

Susanandthek9's you are correct.  For severe cases the dog is hung until it passes out.  I would reserve this for severe handler aggression, for example a new K-9 that attacks it's new handler.  It is important to know how to properly deal with the dog when it comes too.  You can simply sit next to the dog stroking it and petting it when it comes too.  It's not an easy thing to do and definitely not for novice handlers.  Again this is for severe cases with professional handlers.  For cases so severe the dog has the potential to hospitalize the handler. 

4pack: I have never had such a dog though, so what does that say?      It says you do your homework and pick good working dogs and raise them right. 

I also agree with Bob, this is a sensitive subject and these methods should only be employed by trained experienced handlers.  If a new handler  has a dog with serious aggression issues they need to seek professional help. 

JMO,

Jim

I agree with the OP on dealing with aggression itself. It is NO joke, and there is no nice way to handle it. I too, have worked many dogs who are on their last chance with me.  There is nothing peaches and cream about it, HOWEVER, I do not choke dogs out. I just can't see what they can possibly learn when they nearing unconciousness. I have done some very, very nasty dogs and I have never strung one up. Ever. Muzzles, people, they are a beautiful thing.

The point is not to only discipline a dog. The point is to get what you wanted from them. So, for example, if a dog snaps at a friendly stranger, you can't simply reprimand and walk away. The dog must be disciplined, then IMMEDIATELY made to do the excercise again. When performed correctly, sans aggression, then the dog is walked away and lavishishly praised. Moral of the story for the dog is, you act like a shit and I will make you think the sky is falling, keep your teeth to yourself and you are the best dog in the history of dogs. It's a simple choice for them, really, and allows you to end on a POSITIVE note.

Now, when it somes to fear biting- frankly, I don't give a crap if a dog is biting to be a hardass or because it's afraid to greet someone. Teeth are sharp regardless of motivation. I don't care if you're excited, angry, tired, frightened...teeth don't belong on people. (again, we're talking pets here) That said, it is vital that a trainer working with a fear biter tackle the real issue, which is the dog's confidence, and build it up before attempting to proof any biting issues.

Now, I'm not talking sport dogs here. I'm talking out of control companion animals, and yes, it should only be tackled with the assistance of an experienced professional. I will not get in depth on the manner of discipline I will use for aggression, because it varies depending on the severity and as someone already mentioned, people should not read it and try it at home. Some moron will try it for puppy mouthing and wreck their dog.

GSDkatrina, 

based on your post, I would imagine that Koehler would classify you as one of the people he refers to over and over in his book that believe they are exhibiting kindness by issuing corrections with unconvincing force. 

susanandthek9s,

intrigued by your post, I retrieved my copy of "The Koehler Method of Dog Training" and quickly searched for the section wherein a trainer was advised to cause his dog to pass out cold.  I will contiue to look for it, but so far the closest thing I can find is Koehler's suggestion that a "real hood", i.e. a handler aggressive dog, "should be suspended until he has neither the strength nor inclination to renew the fight."  When he is lowered to the ground, he will "probably stagger loop-legged for a few steps, vomit once or twice, and roll over on his side."  Koehler is careful to mention at the beginning of his book that some of the more extreme methods in his book are reserved for last chance dogs. 

my dog didn't take a stringing anything like what you just discribed......i pulled her up off of her feet screamed at her for about 3 or 4 seconds. let her back on her feed and made her "be nice" to the male dog she had such a problem with. there hasn't been an issue between them since. she will look at him then look at me then decide to be nice...........

rotten thing to have to do, but it worked........

i'm not sure if hot pepper sauce is any more or less punishment............