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by beetree on 08 April 2009 - 16:04

by Two Moons on 08 April 2009 - 16:04
Uliborzavenji,
Thats one hell of a name....:)
Try contacting breeders on the phone or in person.
The internet is a bad place for pricing.
Prices are what the market will bare, and the market place where you look makes a difference.
You only get what you pay for, but you can do better by knowing more and being a wise shopper.
Go beyond the internet.
I agree Europe is a lot different than the United States.
Buyer beware.... you can get screwed on either continent.

by justcurious on 08 April 2009 - 17:04
this early work done by the breeder can make life for both you are your pup so much better, but it takes time and i for one am happy to pay a bit more so the breeder can afford to really set the pup up for success. for example jeppah is incredible when it comes to noises e.g. attacked the vacuum the first time he heard it. another example just a few days ago when my dh tossed some 2x4 over the fence - jeppah startled the first time the boards hit the ground; he jumped back and turn toward the noise (which was maybe 30ft way from where he was). the 2nd toss he did not react instead just kept playing with his ball with our dd while our other 3 dogs headed for the house. he also has no apprehension when walking on moving surfaces (things the tilt, spin etc). he also is showing he has his own ideas about things yet is willing to yield to me when i correct him but not without making sure i know he has something to say about it - e.g he's not shy about "talking back" to me or our 90 lb great pyr but he always complies -


anyway imo this is what you pay for - an intelligent dog with a stable temp due to proper breeding and early upbringing. this makes buying a pup far less of a gamble, and i for one could not be more pleased what the great job the breeders of our pup did from start to finish. now our pup is not the "pick of the litter", for us he is but for sport or police type work there were 2 others that showed particularly good promise. they held back the little wild man (http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/596833.html) awaiting just the right home, but he is a real dynamo and should be a real pleasure to work sch etc. their mom iska is one heck of a dog (SCHH3 RH1 KKL1 and i think she's produced 5 or so litters to date) as is their dad balco (SCHH3 FH Kkl 1).
i could not have gotten a better dog and imo a good breeder is worth their weight in gold. so for me the price is secondary to other consideration like: the breeding pair, the dam's temp & mothering abilities, the way the breeder raises the pups, and the breeders ability to evaluate and place their pups in the right homes.
- susan

by Ryanhaus on 08 April 2009 - 17:04
Did you just read what you posted?
I have a man that inquired about my untitled female Dana, OH that happens to be OFA good, and he was willing
to pay me big bucks, and come to my neck of the woods from clear across the states, and mind you, he only wanted
a pet, I told him sorry, but I would miss her, and she's quite devoted to me, Hmmm....
$3500. is ridiculous for any working line puppy. The most I ever took for one was $2400., and only then because I didn't want to sell him, was offered more than I could refuse by a person who fell in love with him. I still kick myself for letting him go because they didn't train him to title after all. (divorced, moved to a place with no club access within 300 miles)
I know many people that have gotten a pup from me that I couldn't buy back for 1 million dollars
I'm not breeding for any less than what you desire in the breed, I just haven't titled my dogs in Schutzhund,
it's because I want to do it, I don't want to pay someone else or buy an already titled import.
BTW, nice pictures, hopefully soon I'll have a picture of a dog on a sleeve, and when I do, watch out, I'll be
bragging big time, you think I brag about my nothing dogs now, whoa>>>wait till i get my all mighty title!
Have a great day,
Paula

by ShelleyR on 08 April 2009 - 18:04
Sure, I try to place my best working prospects in working homes... So do a lot of people who breed pups with nothing more than John Q Public in mind. I see tons of the latter here at club every year. Its always our job to break the bad news to those poor folks who bought their puppy from someone who either doesn't know or doesn't care what they are breeding as far as working ability and vesatility, just DREAMS one day one of their dogs will find its way to a title, tell their buyers their pups have what it takes to get there...
Truth is...Not every puppy from working OR (even less often) showline bred litters show up on this earth with drive up the wazzoo. In most litters of 8 you will get one or two that don't show us what we would prefer to see at 8-10 weeks. Those go to pet homes, as well as a few that do show us more, and the ones that wash out in my training program... "okay" but not OKAY ENOUGH for me... There aren't enough working homes for all of the great working pups we produce, simple fact. Conversely there is no shortage of pups bred by people who breed to the standard that cannot be pets! Thus I, and all thebetter breeders I know, try to breed dogs who can fill all those needs, pet and working and show, TRY to insure that there is a great home out there for every single one, and try like hell to avoid breeding dogs with lack of versatility pre-built into their genetic make-up.
I just love people who try to convince me they are "filling a need" by breeding dogs from un-titled, un-surveyed parents, dogs that have never so much as stepped on a training field for evaluation by somebody who knows what they are looking at, ESPECIALLY the ones who sell their pups with either full-registration and/or breeder's rights to people even less interested in maintaining the standard than they themselves are NOT. There's no shortage of GSD's suitable only for pet homes in the world. Don't believe me? Look on petfinder.com. The shelters are full of them. Dogs that CAN do it all are a lot harder to find in this country.
SS

by ShelleyR on 08 April 2009 - 18:04
The childless but well-off Doctor of Opthamology who talked me out of him NEEDED a heart-dog, more than I did at the time. He is 6.5 years old now, living a great life with her in a log home out West, helping her raise her kids. I kept his not-as-beautiful sister Portia instead. Hopefully she and T, and the line-breeding they will make on Marc Herkulesblick, will produce another one just like him for me this year.

by happyday on 08 April 2009 - 18:04

by Ryanhaus on 08 April 2009 - 18:04
I am guessing you don't have children, cause having children are very expensive and costly, and take up alot
of your spare time, and I spent 17 years in a sucky marriage, so that was like jail time, I even had to give away
some of my dogs way back then cause the ex would beat them, that's why I included the children factor.
So glad that part of my life is history

I'm not a large operation, this is my expensive hobby, before coming on this board I knew nothing about achieving
a title on a dog, other than going to AKC shows, and believe me I have wasted alot of bucks on conformations akc
shows, only for the judge to critque my dog & say oh, that's more of a working line, well duh!
I have obtained Companion dog titles, which can be compared to the BH.
Can you help a fellow GSD lover obtain more knowledge of how to join a club that trains with titles in mind,
what should I be looking for as credentials, to know I will be joining a successful club and not a time waster.
I live in the New England area.
One last stupid question,....do all my dogs need to have their ear tattoed, in order to join the SV, I have everyone
micro-chipped,
Thanks!
Paula
P.S. Uliborzavenje if I veared away from this post, still I think this is a great post,


by Red Sable on 08 April 2009 - 18:04

by Ryanhaus on 08 April 2009 - 19:04
Sorry if I offended you, I did not read the about Shelley page until now, that's really neat, you have some very nice
dogs and have put alot of work into them & I didn't know you did training for people.
I had you confused with someone else, way less knowledgeable,
Oops

Anyway, I really enjoyed your web-site!
Paula
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