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by Red Sable on 21 February 2009 - 10:02
Jenni, we have 50 plus horses, so it's not the same horse, for long periods.
As Sunsilver says, it is for inflammation. Thanks for the info. I will research it further.
by Mindhunt on 22 February 2009 - 04:02
Warrior, going by the picture you just posted, I think your female is a rather nice looking female. I like her size as well. Go well with my big male K9, 105lb and 28+ (but I am not the professional with the measuring stick, just a level and tape measure LOL).
His centerfold picture (he likes moonlight walks on the beach, romping in the snow, biting decoys, looking for high drive, intelligent girl who likes the same and isn't above a fireside cuddle LOL)
P.S. Picture came out very light, he is much darker.
As for your woman's dog. Sounds like there are some definate issues there and those that posted more exercise and challenges are correct as well as socializing in incremental steps. As for a dog trainer that gives up on challenging dogs.......
. Too bad she wasn't in Michigan, my very experienced trainer has yet to give up on a dog and he has had some doozies (owners as well as dogs). He is usually the last chance before shelter and he is very good at what he does. I hope it comes out happy ending. Keep us posted, I am very interested in the dog's outcome.
His centerfold picture (he likes moonlight walks on the beach, romping in the snow, biting decoys, looking for high drive, intelligent girl who likes the same and isn't above a fireside cuddle LOL)P.S. Picture came out very light, he is much darker.
As for your woman's dog. Sounds like there are some definate issues there and those that posted more exercise and challenges are correct as well as socializing in incremental steps. As for a dog trainer that gives up on challenging dogs.......
. Too bad she wasn't in Michigan, my very experienced trainer has yet to give up on a dog and he has had some doozies (owners as well as dogs). He is usually the last chance before shelter and he is very good at what he does. I hope it comes out happy ending. Keep us posted, I am very interested in the dog's outcome.
by Kinolog on 22 February 2009 - 04:02
FYI: Xanax is a anti-anxiolytic from the class of drugs called benzodiapines (or benzos for short.) Valium, Ativan, and Klonopin also belong in this class.
Xanax is not a (sic) "psychotic drug". (The correct term is "anti-psychotic". Examples of such drugs are Thorazine, Haldol, Seroquel, Risperdal. They are said to reduce hallucinations and/or delusions by lowering the availability of dopamine. Abnormally low dopamine levels are responsible for Parkinsonian-type symptoms as well as depression as dopamine is referred to as the "reward" chemical. Various addictions have rewarding effects because they tend to increase dopamine levels.
Anti-depressants are often used with notable efficacy to treat anxiety conditions in dogs (separation anxiety) and even depression. (Chemical equivalents of Prozac, Paxil, etc.)
I have heard that some drugs can have a paradoxical effect in animals and people the same way that drugs for ADD or ADHD (which are literally like "Speed") tend to calm humans with the previous two conditions. There are various hypothses as why this might happen. There is a part of the brain that plays a part in keeping a person awake that may be under-active. So a stimulant that would "wake up" that part of the brain would keep the person alert, calm, and focused rather than on the move to behaviorally try to stay alert. Perhaps the sedating effects of a drug may cause an animal to be irritable and it may act out in erratic and violent ways in response to the unpleasant effects of sedation.
Xanax is not a (sic) "psychotic drug". (The correct term is "anti-psychotic". Examples of such drugs are Thorazine, Haldol, Seroquel, Risperdal. They are said to reduce hallucinations and/or delusions by lowering the availability of dopamine. Abnormally low dopamine levels are responsible for Parkinsonian-type symptoms as well as depression as dopamine is referred to as the "reward" chemical. Various addictions have rewarding effects because they tend to increase dopamine levels.
Anti-depressants are often used with notable efficacy to treat anxiety conditions in dogs (separation anxiety) and even depression. (Chemical equivalents of Prozac, Paxil, etc.)
I have heard that some drugs can have a paradoxical effect in animals and people the same way that drugs for ADD or ADHD (which are literally like "Speed") tend to calm humans with the previous two conditions. There are various hypothses as why this might happen. There is a part of the brain that plays a part in keeping a person awake that may be under-active. So a stimulant that would "wake up" that part of the brain would keep the person alert, calm, and focused rather than on the move to behaviorally try to stay alert. Perhaps the sedating effects of a drug may cause an animal to be irritable and it may act out in erratic and violent ways in response to the unpleasant effects of sedation.
by Mindhunt on 22 February 2009 - 18:02
Yes Kinolog, you explained the meds well. There is a big difference between dogs and humans when it comes to medications as well as other things, people can eat chocolate and dogs can't. I understand that many times people resort to that which worked for them or someone they know, applying human fixes for dogs. I feel for those that try to fix their dog with human equivalents with less than happy results, they love their dog and want to make things better. I am lucky that I have the wonderful support system for my dogs that I do, my trainer, vet, etc friends, or should I say my dogs are blessed 
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by Sunsilver on 22 February 2009 - 18:02
Mindhunt, one of the first things the vet told me when I began working as a volunteer assistant is that virtually ALL the drugs are the same!
Yes, there are a few differences, such as the dog's inability to tolerate chocolate and raisins, but those are rather rare.
Geneticists are even discovering that the genes on our chromosomes perform the same functions in animals and humans. For instance, the FOXP2 gene controls the acquisition of speech in humans and bird song in birds. (February issue of National Geographic.) We are more alike than different in our physical makeup.
However, I am not at all in favour of giving traquilizers or other psychotropic meds to dogs. I believe it's a 'quick' (human) fix for problems that should be solved by training and more exercise.
Heck, maybe even HUMANS wouldn't need these drugs if they got more exercise by walking/training their dogs more often!
(Okay, okay, just MHO! )
Yes, there are a few differences, such as the dog's inability to tolerate chocolate and raisins, but those are rather rare.
Geneticists are even discovering that the genes on our chromosomes perform the same functions in animals and humans. For instance, the FOXP2 gene controls the acquisition of speech in humans and bird song in birds. (February issue of National Geographic.) We are more alike than different in our physical makeup.
However, I am not at all in favour of giving traquilizers or other psychotropic meds to dogs. I believe it's a 'quick' (human) fix for problems that should be solved by training and more exercise.
Heck, maybe even HUMANS wouldn't need these drugs if they got more exercise by walking/training their dogs more often!
(Okay, okay, just MHO! )
by Mindhunt on 22 February 2009 - 22:02
Sunsilver, I agree that drugs are a quick fix when more therapy, be it exercise, training, talking, whatever, needs to be used. We are a society of band-aids and quick fixes.
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