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What is the right amount of anything? Supported by research? I would love to know. I belive that is not in companies best intrest to produce crap :). Just economic motion :). Dose it happen? Yeah surre. Especially the small companies have the most to loose, so is unlikely they will produce crap. Did you ever run your own business? If you chip out on a product and did harm to your client did he came back to do business with you? I don't think so. Like I said I don't belive that food companies are doing harm to a dog on purpose. We all have opinions. For now I will stick to dry food, but if i could afford, or feel comfortable enough I would not have a problem going raw.

It is the proof in the pudding which counts in Dog kibble, If the Dog stays fit and healthy, No vets bills, the Coat and the Eyes are shining and bright, the energy level is there, and above all the Dog acts as if it is good to be alive

If your Dog shows all these signs then whatever Kibble it is being fed on is the right ione for that animal and no one in there right mind would change it

And Orijen does just that for my Dog

Steve

Some balances are supported by research, but in  research the parameters are generally set wide apart to show effect.

Calcium level of 0.4, 0.7, and 3.0 % were used to demostrate the role of proper calcium in growing pups, for example.

So what about 0.8%?

It is the same as 0.7%, for the most part. Besides, a pup can eat 10% more or less food.

And for protein, it is 16, 24, 31%. (No effect on skeleton development).  What about 26%? It is the same as 24%, for the most part.

Only total calorie off by 10 percent consistently can have a major impact on develping obesity.

For a calcium level I would say it's a big jump from .7 to 3.0 wouldn't you say?

Yes, but they have to do that to demonstrate  the effect of excessive calcium on a small number of subjects.

I think it is a warning to people who routinely give calcium supplement to puppies.

I think it also  fails to demonstrate is the need for special puppy food for large breeds. So is 1% calcium (with the correct phosperous ratio) risky for all pups large or small breeds? I have doubts. This specially formulated for large breeds concept may well be just a marketing tool for artifical niche marketing.

Get a premium puppy food for all breeds and feed carefully measured amounts, not free-choice, to achieve leanness, and it should be OK, IMO.

I noticed that a lot of large breed puppy food has still pretty high calcium levels, I start to think is just marketing pich. Yes defenietely is very important to understand the risk of oversuplementing.

It is working well with my two shepherds and one standard poodle.  I have had two hot spots but I don't know if they are dietary.

High Desert GSD

All kibbles show different levels of Calcium, in there kibbles i think i am right in saying the Solid Gold has 1.5 and That is a kibble for Pups, but looks like a good kibble

As regards feeding any animal and ourselves included, i for one never ever let my Dogs or myselve eat all they or i can, and this includes mY Racing pigeons, Always i leave them and myself wanting a bit more each and every time

In my life keeping Dogs now coming on 58 years i have never had a Dog with Skin trouble, or anything else

all my Dogs have Died through age related

Food is to keep the engine going, Over water or put two much Oil etc into the engine will cause it to stop or go wrong, so all bodies need only enough to keep it going, no matter how much or often our brain tells us otherwise its getting that happy balance which counts

Eat less live a healther life, and that applies to all living things including our Dogs

Steve

Very good statment Steve, now I wonder if I will ever be able to apply it to myself :) My dog's I have no problem with, but me could use strick rutine :) hahaha

Snaiper 69

drink a couple of glasses of water about 20 mins before dinner, you will more than not eat less and the water will do you good

But on the other hand you may get it in the neck from the wife, she of course will think her cooking is no good if you leave the plate half empty

But on a lighter note you could ask her to buy you a plate half the size you use now, then she cannot get as big a portion on it.  that way you will please her and cut down on food as well

Steve