42% Protein? - Page 3

Sort of on topic here. :)

I have an 18 month old intact female who is working towards her Sch I here in November, which means we're training intensely at the moment, 4 to 5 days a week.

She's always been on the small side, around 55 to 60 lbs depending upon how much coat she's carrying and I started her out with Cainidae, which I was happy with up until the formula switch at which point I moved over to Taste of the Wild Salmon.  Now I switched her that way because Canidae was 24% protein I believe and ToTW Salmon was comprable at 25% and I've also supplemented her food with raw rabbit at 13% protein with her dinner.

I've had no problem with her eating, the health of her coat or her stools but I've noticed that when we're gearing up for a trial (she got her BH in May) she tends to really burn off calories and her weight fluctuates.  I'm already giving her approx 2 1/2 cups of kibble twice a day and I don't want to increase the food going into her but I'm wondering if I should look at increasing to the ToTW Bison formula which is their higher protein content for these periods when we're really working hard for a trial?

Also added into the mix, she should be gearing up for going into season here in a couple of months so I don't know if that makes her weight fluctuate or not.

Should I look at a higher protein food for when we're really intensely working or should I just increase her kibble intake?  My trainer figures she just needs to pick up a couple extra pounds, not too much (she's a very little girl) but I guess I'm looking for the best way to get those lbs on her and keep them on her, especially through trial/ heat season.

Research on Danes shows that in general high protein per se does not cause lower bone density or too fast growth, albeit highest in the test is about 34% protein. The test did not go that high, 42%. 

Excessive calcium and imbalance with phosperous is a greater danger. Large breed pups need lower calcium, but small breeds do not need higher calcium. All pup food can use lower calcium, about 0.7%, if I remember correctly.

The highest danger is the amount of food, ie caloric intake.

What does build up in the Muscles when they are overworked and that is Lactic Acid causing the Blood to be poisioned and overworked,

For anything growing it needs a high protein content that is humans, Birds and, Animals including Dogs

A mothers breast milk is very rich in Proteins and Fats, a Birds milk like a racing Pigeon is very high in proteins and fat

a Puppy needs a milk from its mother rich in proteins and fats

Once it is weaned i do not see the benifit of feeding it a low protein kibble, when it has to grow but a happy medium is always the saftest bet,

The most important thing that i can see is not to feed to much calcium or Phosphous, in the first 7 to 8 months

But for me it is very important to to feed top quality kibble without too much grain content, One could say feed a Pup 50% Orijen and 50% a top quality kibble containing say 26% proteins with a few with grains but not the ones which are not good for Dogs, that mix of kibbles bringing the protein level to 34% with a little salmon oil on the morning feed and the Pup should grow nice and steady

Around  December i will be getting a  new 8 to nine week old G.S Pup so i will have to decide on how to feed her

i am getting a female Pup this time for the first time of keeping Dogs in near on 60 years, so i will have to study a bit on this as i have only owned Males all my life

Steve

Well I have only females now :) I used to have only males myself Steve, I think you will enjoy the time you will get to spend with your little female, they are a bit different from males, but I do enjoy their company. BTW you dog looks good, so I think if you do the same thing that you did with him you will be fine :).

To the other poster with the female 55-60 I would keep her that way, but if you really want to increase the weight you might want to go with Orijen it sounds like a good choie for a dog in training. Me I just use MartinsK9 Energol and Antioxidants with my kibble of choice.

Say 9% protein in wet can puppy food that has 78% water is about the same as 37% protein in a dry dog food that has only 10% moisture.

Pure fresh and moist meat, the leanest cut without white or marbled fat, is about 20% protein, 5% fat. If it is dried to 10% moisture, like jerky for dogs, it will be about 72%, (20/25)x0.9, protein and 18%, (5/25)x0.9, fat.

I tend to think that the typical raw diet is very high in protein, so I don't think high protein in general is harmful to healthy dogs, just that it (above 30% dry basis) may not be necessary.

Soy meal in purchasing for a horse is 44 percent protien...be very careful!

Rainhaus

Soy would be vegetable Protein i think,  not Meat Protein

there is a great difference between the two i think

Steve

We always seem to target and blame these foods for a number of problems attributed to our dogs.

I feel that when planning a breeding one must not only look at prey drive and aggression,but  must look at improving the overall health of the dogs.Lately I am seeing a lot of dogs with the weakest GI Track!We have all these dog foods out here and their are nothing but problems,such as loose stools,growing too fast,bloat,etc...

I feel that people like to experiment too much with dog foods with their pups,not knowing that the first 8-10 weeks is the most important phase of developing a young puppy's GI Track.I know people,and I am more than sure that you know some too,that by the time their dog reaches 10 weeks old their dog has already been on 3-5 different dog foods.This is not good for the GI Track,hence the reason why we have so many dogs with intestinal problems..I have never seen a breed of dog with so many intestinal problems.

I feel that when breeders plan their breeding's,this should be a major concern.A good breeder can fix this problem!!

high protine is not the only thing you have to look at,you also have to make sure that you are not feeding too much and no excercise that would make your dog fat and you know what happens when dogs are fat.high protine dog food like Evo,a little goes a long way.but if you feed too much and the dog does not do any thing and sits around u see how fast he 'll get fat.have a nice one.

You are correct Steve.but do more research.I agree kreiger. hmmm The calcium to phosporous(sp) should always be correct.But Steve..no matter what bag says upon reading..no matter what protiens etc etc.There is NOT a shelf life label on it.Maybe with some very high priced kibbles.But even with that..there is no real truth in what is being sold in the bag.Even if a bag of kibbles were very correct in the qualities..Protien//a/b/c...down to zinc.All is worthless if the owner is not in connection with their dog to observe what they are lacking.When a human takes a vitamin..they are assuming they recieve it and all is fine...same senario.I will continue to feed Purina puppy chow and I do not time the feedings.They always have full access of feed when they need it.But as well plenty of free exercise.They are rarely kenneled.I have been doing this for 15 yrs plus.Never a gut problem..health problem nor a structure problem.It is sad for me to see how many just kennel their dogs and just expect their feed program to work.regards Candy