Kirschental Stud dogs? - Page 3

Candace,

  What is your contact info? Mine is rbud@rocketmail.com  325-829-6100 Is Boss a Kirschental dog?

Hi Candice,

I sent you a PM. I would love to talk to you sometime.

Cheryl

A breeding program only makes sense if the breeding stock is titled and therefore has some proof of workability. Karl Fueller proved that over and over again.

Karen's Sherry vom Kirschental would be an excellent choice (he carries Matzo) in his third generation, and even more important also Karl's top producing Ansa.

Many many years ago, I saw Matzo in Germany and fell in love with him. I inquired but Marion wrote to me that he would never be for sale as he was her son's dog. Therefore, I was very happy when I bought my Gibsie von den Leinewiesen through Marion's help. Gibsie is a Matzo-granddaughter on her mother's side. Her litterbrother Gorbi resides in Florida - he might be a good choice for you as well. They are out of VA-Rikkor von Bad-Boll. Marion could tell you who Gorbi's owners are.

My young and homebred Gibsie-son Marko vom Silbersee will be back from Germany at the end of the year when he achieves his SchH3 title and V-rating (since he will not turn 2 until November 24 - hopefully, there will be a show left to get a V-rating). He is currently SchH1 and KKL1 a normal, ED normal. At his breed survey last month in Germany, he displayed the best bitework right behind a couple of workingline dogs. I received lots of favorable comments about him, even from workingline people last weekend at the BSP in Germany. Marko too, would bring a linebreeding in the fourth generation on Matzo.

Chris

Its not all about titles.

Rainhaus,

it certainly is not all about titles. But do tell me if you can name one successful breeder of GSDs with a consistent record or production who ever bred without titles? My opinion is that the quote "it is not all about titles" is certainly often used as an excuse to breed sub-standard dogs. And before we argue about what this defines, I would say any dog which does not fit into the FCI approved breed standard and has one or more of the listed serious faults which under SV regulation would ban it from being bred. While the exclusive use of titled and breed surveyed dogs is not a guarantee of consistently producing good dogs (we all know that), it definitely betters the odds significantly through accountability.

I have an up and coming Kirschental male, Aragon vom Kirschental-line-bred 4-3 on Matzo Kirschental and 2-3 on Farus Kirschental. Excellent in every way-strong herding, sweet yet outgoing disposition. Son of Sherry and Zeckie Kirschental-best decision I ever made to get him. If all goes well, he'll be seen in the 12-18 mos class at NASS 2008 hopefully going for a good conformation rating (just turning 13 mos old at NASS time).

My good friend JP owns Aragon's full sister, Arion vom Kirschental, and she is a very fiesty, kick-butt female with tons of outgoing drive and confidence. Truly a remarkable girl also, another credit to the Sherry/Zeckie breeding.

The Fullers have Amigo, their brother. He looks nice right now also. It's hard to go wrong with a Kirschental dog from what I'm seeing. Excellent people, excellent program, smooth transaction. I am proud to have one of Karl's progeny before he retires from breeding-it was a lifelong dream of mine to have a Kirschental dog.

Silbersee, I agree.

Very good points, Silbersee. IMO, 99% of the people breeding untitled GSD's in this country haven't got a clue what they are producing by the second generation, if not the first. The tests we have aren't anything close to guarantees of temperament or soundness, but they are WAY better than guessing and hoping.

SS

I have a question to Sibersee and Shelley Strohl.Beyond the genetics and competitions.Do you allow the gsds that you have to naturally patrol a perimeter or are they just kenneled? when they are patroling..What inclusion do you have to set them off track? A goat/chicken/horse. etc etc. You are quite correct that there needs to be more testing but from whoms teaching and whoms political being?All of these set standards...what a waste.The gsd has been sold out...as many more breeds.

I agree there could be other test's to measure a GSD's worth, but it won't happen in the mainstream, it would be too much trouble.

I take all these standard's with a grain of salt, they are important indicator's but not the total picture.

Without the dog's being in a natural setting everyday, and being with the dog daily doing the thing's that come natural to the dog in this setting, there's much you won't know about the dog.

The herder, the k-9 officer, the individual who live's with his dog know's more about his dog than any structured test will ever tell him.      The individual with one or two dog's has it up on the breeder or trainer who has many dog's to work with and not enough time to spend with only one or two individual's in my opinion.

Show me what a dog can do on the ground, on it's own, not it's paperwork or trophy's.

JMO.