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by vonmeister on 24 August 2008 - 08:08

hi dont get me wrong i agree with what everyone is saying about things but what would happen if you wanted to go to a differnt country to use a male say where they have a stamp but then you have to register the litter with the kennel club and because the dog you have used doesnt have a bva score as it would be  compulsory does that mean they carnt be registered puppies. or are you saying it only stands for english bred anilmals.or have i got the wrong end of the stick altogether.

kim


missbeeb

by missbeeb on 24 August 2008 - 08:08

 

 

Philip, that's good news, let's hope that our BC can make the KC see sense for once?  I hope so! 

 


Videx

by Videx on 24 August 2008 - 08:08

Health screening tests from Europe "with the requisite authentic certification" could & should be included. The FCI (World Kennel Club for Kennel Clubs) could be requested to list all health screening systems and authentic certification in our breed. Such issues are developmental issues, NOT issues to STOP compulsory health screening.


Videx

by Videx on 24 August 2008 - 08:08

Let's hope the Breed Council delegates are practised in the skills of preparation, presentation and negotiation, and most important DETERMINATION TO SUCCEED.


by pen on 24 August 2008 - 09:08

 

Great news that something might at last be resolved - but what can we do to help? I'm sure there are lots of "smaller" breeders who would like to add their support to any proposals, but how can we get involved?


by Zac on 24 August 2008 - 09:08

IMO the Breed Council, however well meaning, are wasting their time. Many of the existing Breed Council member clubs delegates don't participate in the current schemes, so why would we think they or their club members are more likely to support any new ones?

 


missbeeb

by missbeeb on 24 August 2008 - 09:08

Pen, good question... how can we help?  There must be something we can  do to contribute... any ideas anybody?

Zac, if everyone thought like you, NOTHING would ever change.  I'm going to have faith, besides... compulsary should be the key word here!


by beepy on 24 August 2008 - 10:08

The breed council currently has a breeders charter which states:Breeders Charter


The aim of the Breeders Charter is to encourage good practice with regard
to the breeding and rearing of the G.S.D.

I agree to maintain the following minimum practices:

To maintain the best possible standards of health, environment and quality of life for my dogs, not keeping more than I can properly care for. I will endeavour to breed only to the GSD Standard and before mating any bitch I will ensure that I have suitable conditions to whelp and raise a litter.

To refuse to sell to any dealers or buyers where I have reason to believe the dog will not be properly cared for.

To keep and to pass on to buyers of stock accurate records of health, pedigree and registration and to advise on feeding and rearing, and to suggest a Training or Breed Club.

If required by the purchaser to agree for the puppy to be examined by a qualified veterinary surgeon on the Breeder's premises to certify the puppy is healthy. (Buyer to meet costs).

To sell only puppies and adult dogs of apparently sound health and temperament. Puppies to have been wormed twice and will not be sold until at least 7 weeks (plus).

To replace any puppy (or refund purchases price if no replacement is available) which develops an inherited defect before 12 months old to such a degree that on the advice of two independent qualified veterinary surgeons the puppy has to be put down. Breeder to be properly notified before any action is taken.

Not to mate any bitch under 20 months or before her third season or over 8 years without prior permission from the KC, my own vet's approval and certificate of health for the higher age. No bitch shall have more than one litter born in less than any 12 month period.

To refuse a stud service to any bitch that I know to be suffering from any defect which renders it unsuitable to breed good normal puppies. Nor do I knowingly use a stud dog which has these failings, I will only breed from scored stock within the criteria laid down for Class 1 and Class 2 in the Breed Council Survey or that which has foreign hip grades passed for breeding in its own country. Outside this range I will seek advice in writing from the breed geneticist. I will mate compensatory and will include hip scores of Sire and Dam on pedigrees.

To limit stud services to a maximum of 60 per year per dog and not offer dogs at Stud until tested clear for Haemophilia 'A' . I will not accept bitches for mating that have not been hip-scored.

To allow a repeat service when a bitch has failed to conceive, provided the stud dog is in good health and available. If this is not possible to allow the concession with another dog owned by myself whose stud fee is similar or less, providing the original KC mating form is returned.

To allow an appropriate selected person to visit my kennels if requested by the Breed Council, when notified in advance and a reason given.

To restrict breeding to not more than 8 litters or 60 puppies in any two year period. This to include any puppies from a Breeding Term Agreement.

To register all my puppies with the KC.

To endeavor to take back or assist with re-homing any unwanted GSD of my breeding.

When you look on their site there isnt even a mention of Elbow scoring on the Breed Improvement schemes.  They dont list the requirements of Class 1 and 2 on the site, yes many people know it but for the uneducated looking for information that is where you would expect to find it.


by beepy on 24 August 2008 - 10:08

I cant seem to make a change on the above post, I meant to mention that the breed council does have guidelines for survey classes on their download page, but I'm sure not many people would think to look there.

Also there is no mention of Elbow scoring for breed survey's and isnt it time that hipscores for a class 1 were reduced?  20 is higher than the breed mean and there are so many good dogs out there with much lower scores.


by Zac on 24 August 2008 - 11:08

Tell me, how many active breeders have put their names to the Breeders Charter list? 

 






 


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