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by VonIsengard on 18 July 2008 - 16:07
I thought the same thing, Mystere. In fact, a year ago I was renting a townhome where I had no yard at all, let alone a fence. My dogs come to work with me evey day, where I have a secure kennel for them. They got treadmilled and trained daily, plus long rounds for a ball in the large fenced yards at work. Sometimes I would bike the two miles to work and have one of the dogs jog next to it. There was also a guy in my building who had a rott, one of the most well trained, well bahanved rotts I have ever seen. I have numerous clients who live in townhomes or condos that take awesome care of their dogs. And on that note, I lost my first GSD very young but I put a CD on him and was working on a CDX when he left me.
I have guidelines in my head, but I am not cut and dry with them. You can't be, there will always be exceptions. I wouldn't pass up a great home otherwise over something like that. When it comes to fences- I find having a fenced yard makes some dog owners LAZY! They open the door and let the dog and ignore them for hours. Without one, you have to actually leash them and go out with them, spend some time with them.

by Mystere on 18 July 2008 - 17:07
Funny thing, wasn't Vick's property NON "residential"?

by animules on 18 July 2008 - 17:07
Mystere said: "...No one who has seen my dogs would dispute their good physical condition, excellent nutrition, amount of exercise, or any aspect of their well-being..."
I can vouch for that!!!!!!
I am fine with pups going to a "city" home if the people do things with them. I have one of the pups I raised nearby, they do long walks every morning before work. To the local marina and park almost every evening. Takes her to herding, OB, you name it. Goes to various seminars. Passed her temperatment test last weekend. She is one busy lady and young dog !
I also know of a situation where somebody sold a pup to a nice doctor in the country. All the answers were right and lots of room and yes we'll spend time with the dog. Talked about plans for training and all sorts of stuff. The youngster was put in a cheap chain link kennel he chewed his way out of and was killed by the neighbor chasing livestock.

by Shelley Strohl on 18 July 2008 - 17:07
Money AND any time the presopective buyer gives me the least hint of the creeps. I pass up a lot of sales due to nothing more than bad gut instinct.
SS

by EKvonEarnhardt on 18 July 2008 - 17:07
I have sold to some first time owners and had Good and Bad mostly good because I stay in touch with them and help with training or questions that pop up. I would not decline just because they are new , Hell I was there at one time long ago. One thing is like to see is interest in learning more about the breed and LOVE IT when they want to come train with me.
Any of them reading it now will know what could be asked and how to answer the question.
You can spot a faker! just keep them talking

by yankee girl on 18 July 2008 - 18:07
Great topic!
Iam new to GSD (2 yrs now) but not new to dogs/training ects. I have owned a small show/hobby kennel (apbt's) for a long time.
It is VERY scarry the people out there who think they deserve to own your pup. Like they are entitled to one.
We very rarely sold a pup to the public and I cant tell u how many people we have turned away for a pup or for stud service.
I have had people get belligerent because I do not stud out my males. They assume they have the right to use them or that money talks....
Too me, I feel that not everyone is suited to own a certain breed, or a dog at all.
On the flip side, I have 2 female GSD's. 1 is 27 months, the other 13 month. I purchased them as pups for family/PP dogs as I travel alot between shows or visiting my aging dad. Too get to training, 2x a week, it is an hour and a half ride each way. I have spent extensive time in socializing/training and envormental exposers.
I enjoy taking pics and video's of the dogs and have sent them out to both breeders. the breeder of the older female just doesnt seem to care. Never responds to questions i have on the bloodlines/parents ect. I have had to hunt them down to the point i feel i am bothering them, so i dont bother anymore. He was into working shepherds for a long time and was retiering but assured me that he would be there for any questions ect that i had with her.....what a line of crap that was.
The sad part is is that this female is a fantastic worker. Great working ethics. Always gives 110% in no matter what i ask of her. nice full hard grips. great balanced drives. great on and off button. everything u would want in a working dog. This dog is my best bud, as with all my dogs, she has a very active lifestyle. I am always doing things to stimulate them physically and mentaly. the price i pay for food, i could drive a brand new car....lol...
tho i got her for pp , i would love to get envoled in a sport. sad tho that i cant get advice or support from her breeder.
the breeder of my younger dog loves to hear from me and hear how she is doing.
I give lifetime support to anyone who has bought a pup from me. it doesnt matter what the question or concern is, i am glad to help out.
In the future I do plan to get a male and want a breeder who can mentor (not hold my hand) and give advice and support and not feel like im bothering them about training, health advice ect.
Glad to see there are many who are not in it for the money but for the love of the breed (as it shoud be).

by K-9mom on 18 July 2008 - 19:07
1) My other dog wants a friend
2) My dogs go to doggie daycare Mon through Fri (I HATE Doggie Daycare!!!!!!!!!!!!)
3) They know everything they need to know on how to train a dog and will not consider professional training.
4) The dog will stay outside more than 12 hours a day w/o human companionship
5) Anyone who will tie a dog alone outside for ANY length of time
6) They will not return the dog to me if they ever need to rehome him
7) They plan to breed without OFA & a title (my pups are sold under Limited Reg but can be reversed with these two minor things)
8) Not willing to accept my suggestions on training, food, and Vet care because they already know everything
Tina

by AgarPhranicniStraze1 on 18 July 2008 - 19:07
I had a family member want one of my pups in the worst way- he bugged me to death and asked me what my problem was he wasn't expecting the dog for free....so I was honest with him. I said you've never owned a dog like this before and I don't think you understand the time that goes into training them to be the obedient finished product you see in my dogs. Not to mention the particular person isn't keen about dogs living in the house and that doesn't work for me because although my dogs have outdoor kennels they LIVE inside. And I laid it on the line with him. I said if the dog is gonna live outside-FORGET IT! If you're not gonna do at the minimum basic obedience and extensive socialization-FORGET IT!
Long story short he convinced me that he'd provide a very good home for my pup and that if I were not satisfied with the dogs care I could come repo it. lol He even signed a contract stating so. lol
He's had the pup now a little over a month. I see the dog he named Electra almost every week because they come for socialization and he's doing basic obedience training with a gal out my way. He's totally head over heels for the dog. She lives in the house, she's even pee'd on his carpet lol and he couldn't be happier with her company. He takes her everywhere with him and the dog has more toys and nylabones than probably Petco. I think the dog has taken over as the MRS. of the house. lol This was a situation that most people would have been "iffy" about placing a pup in this home but in my case I knew the person very well and would have access to the dog on a regular basis so I felt it was worth the chance. The other bonus was that he owner doesn't have kids, he lives an active lifestyle and has the financial means to give execptional care to the dog.
I had one person tell me they wanted to buy a pup but wanted to leave it with me to crate train, housebreak and obedience train. LOL All for the same price of the pup mind you. I looked at them like "are you friggin SERIOUS??"
Honestly having the litter was the easy part. Placing pups in the right homes with the right buyers was the most stressful part for me. You get ALL kinds of characters calling and they ask and say the most stupid off the wall stuff that leaves you hangin up the phone thinking to yourself "was someone playing a joke on me because people can't possibly be THAT "out there"."
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