implication of breeder retaining stud rights - Page 3

there as so many wonderful puppies available right now, don't bother to haggle or get stuck in a crazy contract, when you can find another quality puppy for the same price.....

look for parents with titles, and lineage of good hips, and a decent health, hip and elbow guarentee. avoid all the strings..

If the breeder wants to breed to the puppy you buy later, he can pay just like the rest..

good luck with this breeder

Yes, but on the other hand, I had two fantastic hard-core bitch puppies who were going to be very difficult to place. No pet home for them! So two local helpers wanted them, but like most helpers were broke. They approached me with the offer to give me a litter-back if they could have the girls for free. They are doing a DYNAMITE job with those girls and I see them every week at training. So in this case it was win-win too. The girls are happy, the men are happy, and I will get to keep two puppies out of my bloodlines. Woohoo! Of course, I will be stuck with the bills should any whelping problems arise, but so what? That's just life. Right now, those girls are getting top of the line training and love their dads. Best I could ask for. Sometimes, you can use these arrangements to actually help each other out, although lots of sleazy people use them to rip somebody off.  I sure as heck wouldn't get involved in it if I didn't know the people well. Been there, been burned.

"Update: when I asked more questions the pup went to another buyer."

Besides wanting to retain stud rights on a pet quality dog, the above statement would have me turning away from doing business with this breeder. 

I guess I'm either just naive, or lucky.  Or maybe I have a good enough sleaze detector that everyone I talk to more than twice turns out to be a fine upstanding, helpful person.

With the exception of the guy we bought our most recent house from.  lol

You ARE lucky. My sleaze detector is entirely dysfunctional. Sigh.

When I bought My Eli in 2000 the breeder put breeding once per year rights in the contract but was going to pay me a stud fee. This  agreement  helped convince my husband, who had always just gotten dogs at the pound  and did not understand my need to pay lots iof money for a dog who was temperament and health guaranteed to let  me get the pup.
The breeder want the right to possibly use him to furthur her line and I had no problem with that. I had no intention on breeding him as I do not have the knowledge.

. Eli turned out to be cryptorchid and we had him neutered

I recently had a litter of pups that I really wanted to keep something from but didn't have the room or time (my wife had the daughter she always craved instead ). 

Around the same time a new guy came to my club and we struck up a friendship.  He had a dog that wasn't going to make the grade but was a little short on the funds to buy a pup so I offered him a pup from this litter for half price on the condition I could have ONE free stud with the dog should he turn out to be breed worthy.  The guy has to pay for all other expenses (hip scoring etc) but seeing that he could potentially make a fair bit of money should pthers want to use the dog at stud, we both agreed this was a fair deal for us both.

At 9 months old now this boy is everything I hoped he would be and I'm soooo happy I made this arrangement, oh yeah and my friend is as happy with his awesome young dog.....sometimes breeders are not so unscrupulous as we're made out to be

I don't think there's anything sleazy about stud rights as long as it is all discussed up front and well documented. 

The breeder of my puppy routinely puts that clause in her contracts to deter someone from taking a dog with her kennel name and breeding all willy nilly to a bunch of canine garbage.  I didn't have any qualms about signing that.  I'm not a breeder and have no delusions of grandeur.  There are a lot of good males in the US.  Why would someone want to bring their bitch to mine anyway?  LOL

Actually there are good reasons for a breeder to try to retain access to use the services of a stud dog he sells.
A breeder cannot keep every promising puppy he produces.  Many times a pick puppy that the breeder holds back as a prospect to carry on the breeding program in the next generation, doesn't live up to his potential.  It's a long way from puppy to a dog who is OFA certified for hips and elbows, of good structure and temperament , and overall worthy of using to breed from.
Things happen too, unexpected things that are neither foreseeable or preventable, accidents, injuries, or other situations that result in a dog being unable to be used for breeding.

A wise cat breeder once said "Always keep some of your bloodline with other people in other places where you can still have access to them.  You never know when a disaster such as a fire, tornado, etc might strike, and then even if you lose everything you own, you haven't lost all your years of work in breeding if you have animals with other people in different places that you still have access to either use as stud or obtain progeny from."


If your breeder wants to retain stud rights, there should be details in writing such as how often the breeder can use the dog.  How will the situation of a visiting bitch be handled?  Will the breeder bring the bitch to the male and then take her back to his place during the time the bitch is to be bred?  Does the breeder want to take the male back to the kennel when he wants to use the male for stud?  Who is to be responsible for a situation where a bitch brought to the stud, fails to conceive?  (The responsibility should be with the breeder who is using the stud.)  SUCH DETAILS SHOULD BE WORKED OUT IN WRITING BEFORE THE DEAL IS MADE.  Even if you and the breeder are good friends, there are many many cases where a few years later, disputes arise and there's nothing in writing to settle them.

Oh no, I'm not saying it's a sleazy practice. I just mean that if there's a sleazy person doing it, that's who I go to. I manage to avoid the up'n'up folks!