GSD FCI and AKC Breed Standard Comparison Chart - Page 3

The standard is not indicative of the problem - you are not reading critically, you merely have a vision of the fancier's dogs compared to what you like in a dog, which is what I like also. 

Its a breeder problem, its a judging problem.  The purpose of my post was to show that the AKC standard does not specify anything that would give you what you see the current fancier's dogs to be. 

GSDCA fancier's dogs are not going to take over the world and they only affect themselves - no one is being forced to breed to them just like they are not being forced to breed to their own standard.  But the AKC standard more certainly describes our type of dogs .  Again that is the point of my post.

USA is NOT a charitable organization, thus it is NOT 501(c)(c)!!! USA's status is 501(c)(7), applicable to sports and recreational organizations. Please STOP misleading with this "charitable organization" crap. People: start checking this stuff out YOURSELVES!! I have no intention of posting further on this. I simply could NOT sit silently while this "charitable organization" crap was being shovelled. Hopefully, all USA members know and realize that USA is not, and has never claimed to be, a "charitable organization." Adios

Nia is correct that USA is not a charitable foundation whcih would be a 501 c3 - no one said it was, its been referenced in general as a 501 c - the IRS quote above that refers to a charitable organziation is a sample document on a conflict of interst policy that is required of ALL 501c designations 1 through 28 which would include the 7 designation.  It was a sample document on the IRS website so people in any designation could have a boiler plate form.  It would be up to each designation to reference the correct designation.

501(c) is a provision of the United States Internal Revenue Code (26 U.S.C. § 501(c)), listing 26 types of non-profit organizations exempt from some federal income taxes. Sections 503 through 505 list the requirements for attaining such exemptions. Many states reference Section 501(c) for definitions of organizations exempt from state taxation as well.

 501(c)(1) — Corporations Organized Under Act of Congress (including Federal Credit Unions)
501(c)(2) — Title Holding Corporation for Exempt Organization
501(c)(3) — Religious, Educational, Charitable, Scientific, Literary, Testing for Public Safety, to Foster National or International Amateur Sports Competition, or Prevention of Cruelty to Children or Animals Organizations
501(c)(4) — Civic Leagues, Social Welfare Organizations, and Local Associations of Employees
501(c)(5) — Labor, Agricultural, and Horticultural Organizations
501(c)(6) — Business Leagues, Chambers of Commerce, Real Estate Boards, etc.
501(c)(7) — Social and Recreational Clubs
501(c)(8) — Fraternal Beneficiary Societies and Associations
501(c)(9) — Voluntary Employees Beneficiary Associations
501(c)(10) — Domestic Fraternal Societies and Associations
501(c)(11) — Teachers' Retirement Fund Associations
501(c)(12) — Benevolent Life Insurance Associations, Mutual Ditch or Irrigation Companies, Mutual or Cooperative Telephone Companies, etc.
501(c)(13) — Cemetery Companies
501(c)(14) — State-Chartered Credit Unions, Mutual Reserve Funds
501(c)(15) — Mutual Insurance Companies or Associations
501(c)(16) — Cooperative Organizations to Finance Crop Operations
501(c)(17) — Supplemental Unemployment Benefit Trusts
501(c)(18) — Employee Funded Pension Trust (created before June 25, 1959)
501(c)(19) — Post or Organization of Past or Present Members of the Armed Forces
501(c)(21) — Black lung Benefit Trusts
501(c)(22) — Withdrawal Liability Payment Fund
501(c)(23) — Veterans Organization (created before 1880)
501(c)(25) — Title Holding Corporations or Trusts with Multiple Parents
501(c)(26) — State-Sponsored Organization Providing Health Coverage for High-Risk Individuals
501(c)(27) — State-Sponsored Workers' Compensation Reinsurance Organization
501(c)(28) — National Railroad Retirement Investment Trust

Up until the mid/late 60's German dogs were winning AKC Championships and going Grand Victor/Select at the GSDCA Nationals.

The last was 1969 GSDCA GV/AKC Ch.Arno v.d. Kurpfalzhelle Sch. 3, gsdca.org/GSDReviewed/adogs/ArnoKurpflazhalle.html

This was under the same AKC/GSDCA Standard as today.

The emergence of Lance of Fran Jo coupled with Jimmy Moses is what changed the direction of the ASS, not the standard.

Sorry for the on topic post.

Rik

and this very nice guy from the 80's. www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/18244.html

Can't remember if he went "select" and too lazy to look it up. He did however finish an AKC championship, judged by AKC judges and under the AKC/GSDCA standard.

A good dog is a good dog and is generally recognized and appreciated by competent judges, regardless of the standard they are measured against.

Rik

Thanks for the information.  Many people do remember when the dogs were not disimilar.  And that was my point regarding the breed standard - its does not take many years with dogs and generations of dogs to totally change the dog even though the breed standard remains the same.

Fred Lanting's article entitled "Perspective"  in which he discusses the many deviations between the  AKC GSDCA standard and the FCI standard.  He also explains why the AKC GSDCA will never bother conforming:   http://www.siriusdog.com/wusv-german-shepherd-dog-gsdca-breed-standard.htm

Kim:

      Lets say I agree with everything you said, lets say that the difference in standards is insignificant in difference from AKC-GSDCA and FCI.Why then is there such a great difference in the dogs structre and tempermant if stood side by side? and if it is a judging issue(which I agree with)  isn,t  the AKC or GSDCA  higherarchy responsible for issuing punishment to judges who veer so drastically from the standard? You can,t blame the breeder for breeding what the judges are calling correct or proper?

You can blame the judges for taking leave and placing dogs that they find proper but not to the standard. So you also must take the orginization to task  for the indiscression as the SV did to GSDCA several years ago. But even the S.V. should be taken to task for allowing a orginization they recognize to veer to such extreme.  

Bob said: Lets say I agree with everything you said, lets say that the difference in standards is insignificant in difference from AKC-GSDCA and FCI.Why then is there such a great difference in the dogs structure and temperament if stood side by side?


Bob, have you noticed the extreme differences between the working line SV dogs and the Show line SV dogs. It is almost like 2 different breeds in structure and character.

And these are dogs under the same standard, in the same organization yet bred, judged and valued according to different aspects of that same standard.

I am starting to sound like a GSDCA apologist here, which I can assure you I am not.

I am completely disgusted with the ASS ( I love this term and thank you to whoever coined it) and what the GSDCA has made of the GSD in the U.S.

I can assure you that I am well versed and have contributed my small share to that decline. However, I do not see what UScA has done as a positive step (I am a member through 8/1/2010 and hope to remain so).
 
I do not see GSDCA as any different from a decade ago when I was a member and a staunch supporter. I do see hope for WDA and their present direction.

JMHO,

Rik