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Shandra

I think you need to get a nice Yorkie, Pug or Golden Retriever.  Sometimes we have to understand our limitations and lifestyles and adjust our pets accordingly. 

I would be more focused on why my 16 yr old son doesn't live with me.  He would be my #1 focus in life, not all of your drama with the last dozen GSDs you have had in the last year or two (Counting pups). 

Maybe I missed something, but I thought the last time you had an episode, you and your son where alone.  When did the husband appear?

OH!

 I just got it, Duh..... Sorry, I say Yellow, when I mean Hello!

 (Not enough coffee yet)

Don

My son went to live with his dad after an incident.  His dad has less control over him than I did. We each can only do the best we can with what we are given.

My husband and I had been seperated for over a year and seldom if ever communicated. I got a call from the hospital which is how/when I was advised exactly how bad he was,  At that point they did not expect him to make another couple of weeks.

I have to go for now but will post when I get back this evening.

Hi Shandra,

 Like I said I just skimmed through this post, I see your point, no one should have to die alone.

My ex was a very mean selfish person, I have a permanent restraining order on him, he is someone
that I wish to never see again.
I am happy if I  never see the ex again, those are just my thoughts & feelings.
Some ex's get along some don't.
It's only been a year for you, so it seems you still have some feelings.

Seven kids, walking on egg shells for 17 years, my life has improved 100% since my divorce,
no more drama.

Good luck with your situation,
also, your girl Mischa is very beautiful looks alot like my girl Mira

Perhaps you do not feel  the mishandling issues that have  been displayed by Shaundra with this dog and this dogs' sire are any big deal.  You may be right, but I would prefer to err on the side of caution.   To PRAISE a dog (especially one that is aggressive through unwarranted fear as both dogs have done) when it growls, snarls, attacks and tries  to bite wholly inapropriately is just begging for the dog to escalate and hurt someone it shouldn't.  Shaundra has been doing this with this dog since it was a little puppy, even though she was told on many occasions with this dog and the previous one, it could cause problems.  It may be because of inexperience, but nevertheless she is encouraging really bad behaviour.  If she doesn't get this dog to a good professional, there is a good chance we will be reading about yet another  "tragic disaster".  In any case, this is exactly why I suggested a professional evaluate this dog ASAP and help Shaundra.  I think pretending this is no big deal or suggesting she can just do  a little socialization  is a disservice to Shaundra and the dog, because even if that is all the dog needs,  I really don't think Shandra is experienced enough to socialize this dog  properly.

Shaundra:  Do you have two young bitches now?  I see this thread where you mention having an East  German / American Line dog?:

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/bulletins_read/185261.html#185261

Sue, I think that was referring to the same dog. Shandra, you want the dog to be your safety. This is a puppy. Tino was an adult.  You can bet she will have the same problems because you are sending her (and sent him) the "I'm in need of someone else to keep me safe" message. If you want a confident, stable dog don't put more responsibility on them than they can shoulder.  No dog will keep you safe. They might slow someone down but ultimately they won't be the safety you're looking for.

When you say they started recently does that mean since your husband has come? Maybe she is not getting the exercise/interaction she needs. You know the sire was a hard, sharp dog. The daughter seems to be heading that way. She will end up the same way and pay the price if you don't get professional help and get past the notion that you are safe if y ou have a sharp enough dog.

Oh sorry, I was confused.  So she just has the one GSD and the one red Rottweiler now?

Who knows?

 Shandra also made a commitment long ago in another long nutty saga that she would get homes for all the excess dogs and not take more. Why? Because she cannot handle the dogs. So it appears she did not do as she said she would in that case either. Someone who has to say they want a PP dog, but really not a professionally trained PPD, just one to protect her in case of attack etc., in the first place, does not even begin to understand what dogs wil or will not do. The dog she is now discussing is one she has discussed over and over, both publicly and privately. Sadly, we waste our keystrokes and our breath. Some of you are new, so be suckered in too and you will find you waste your time.

Don Corleone has it correct.....

Shandra Hodie is correct to say you don't understand what a PP dog will or will not do and to want one that is NOT professionally trained is completely INSANE!  I don't want to seem like I'm jumping on your case nor want to get into your personal business with your son, husband or whatever; that is your business who are we to expect a justification (however JMO I agree with Don; the son should be the main focus) but I'm wondering why you feel owning a dog that bites is what needs to make you feel safe??  Do you live in a bad neighborhood, been a victim of violent crime, been robbed???  I mean MOST people who put themselves out there accepting the liability of owning a PP dog have good reason for wanting, needing and owning one but if none of the above pertain to you then perhaps it's not really something you want to pursue if you're not willing to train.  If you went to someone's house you didn't know well and they had GSD's that all charged the door barking sounding very serious would you assume they are PP dogs??  Because they may really be just sweet rescue dogs that look and sound the part but in all reality would let you come right in rape the wife, clean out the house and pet em on the way out the door. 

I'm also a little concerned that your son "tests" the dog to see "what she'll do" and you don't see this as being wrong.  First of all the dog is not "trained" therefore there's nothing to "test" and furthermore if anyone should be doing any "testing" to see what the dog will or won't do it should be an experienced trainer who has the ability to read the dog properly.  If your son continues this behavior of "playing around" with the dog to see if she'll really bite you are seriously asking for a BIG problem.  Maybe I'm missing something....???  There's nothing wrong with "testing" a dog that was already trained for a specific purpose, there's nothing wrong with "testing" a dog that is trained that you are "thinking" to purchase from someone to assure you're getting or got what you asked for as long as it's being evaluated in the right situation by someone that knows what they are doing who will be HONEST. 

NO ONE and I mean NO ONE "tests" any of my dogs except the person I enstill trust in to work my dog at the appropriate time/place.  My kids KNOW the rules of the house when it comes to the dogs, their friends know before they ever step foot inside the rules around the dogs and my husband and I do not EVER horseplay, play fight or engage in any type of conduct that will turn the dogs on.  They are not toys, show pieces or bragging tools to announce the level of security I have.  I love them, they love their family and I work hard for the things I have; that said I'm not looking to give anyone an opportunity to take my dogs or my house.  There's some things you learn to keep to yourself and be careful what you wish for.  Once you turn a dog on to doing "real PP work" you've taken it to another level you may be sorry you did, especially if the dog doesn't have the balance and nerves.