Breeding Show/Workinglines Together - Page 3

Margrit of Von Arlett Kennels bred one of her top showlines females to a workingline stud.  She kept a puppy back from the litter and she's looking very promising.  I believe her name is Lotta.  She has pictures and videos of the little female on her site.  Someone brought this to my attention when I've brought this subject up myself.  I've talked to other top breeders in Germany and in the Netherlands who have also done this cross and had successful results.  But yes, you definately need to have a goal and look at each dog's charateristics and what they can contribute to each other. 

' DIC '.      Debby     I'm pleased to see you are having very good success with your working/showing lines mix.  Looked at your great site which shows your improvements up to date well.

As with most things its usually the U.S.A. that leads the way !.

I just wanted to say that Mr. Nyman (Kennel Triumph),  bred Show/ Workinglines from time to time, and with all of his hard work of researching lines,  he finally got HIS DOG.... Triumph's Gucci, a Universal Sieger. This dog WORKED!!

I am very glad that there are people out there that are doing this from time to time. New blood on both sides has to be incorporated, or the breed is in trouble. PERIOD!

Dawn Bonome

DAWN.     I am fully aware of ' Bo Nyman's ' input in the breed . I have been doing some research and find that there are a few ( not many ) breeders in the U.K. that have been mixing the show/working lines for some years so it must be working for them also.

I agree with you that the future of the breed without this mix does spell 'TROUBLE' !.

Katio, Tigermouse, Debbie,

VERY NICE!!!!!!!

Dawn

People in the Netherlands and Czech Republic have done this for years. Look at many of the current studs from prominent Czech kennels and you will see showlines within 3-4 generations and usually gorgeous looking dogs. They work quite well also as evidenced by many being acquired by PD's. Of course the hardcore schutzhund people don't like them but then some of them still have the ancient mentality that  ALL Czech dogs are nervy. Of course show people won't touch them because they aren't the right color/pigment and extreme enough. Who cares whay these camps think in the big scheme of things? If the dog is sound is capable of sport and police and familiy work then the good Capt. is Happy.

I have a female who has working lines in gen 5,6, and 7. So I am not doubting it can be done. But she is no doubt what someone would call a showdog that can work. I guess this would be a "goal".

As usual my comments got overlooked and twisted around...but that's okay. the German's do NOT really do this and we here are known as the "Black Hole" for GSD's...don't tell me no one has ever heard this. In the German dog arena it's well know.  As for the top 10 Breeders here in the states doing this...I would like to see some. I haven't seen any out of Mittelwest or Wilhendorf...or Kolenda...or Fleischerheim. I would love to see them if they are out there. I know of a select few in years past but nothing of lately.

Kelly....would LOVE to talk more. And Alli....you are gonna be a great breeder!!! You definately are keeping it to German SV standard not AKC and you have the eye for a good dog. Charlie will also help you a LOT!!!!!!

And Dawn...we should all strive for another Gucci...that's what this is all about. Keeping our working breed just that. And He was a true asset to the breed.

My opinion on crosses:

The hybrids tend to bring the health of the working lines to the finer structure of the show lines, but diminish the showline-aspect when it comes to movement and conformation. As such, the results is a dog that is a perfectly healthy working or pet dog, but will not win any prises in the show arena. Subsequent generations can breed the showline look back in.

It doesn't inherently diminish working ability, and while some people shy away from hyrbids on the matter of "pure bloodlines" other people flock to them because they have next to no linebreeding. This is a draw for people who are worried about the over-inbreeding of the showline dogs.

The male is a cross from our kennel a while back. This dog is out of a workingline female, by a showline male. Two things I will note on this dog, which doesn't show up in the picture: a stocky build with very straight topline, and deep red-sable pigmentation.

Showline x Workingline Hybrid

Mother of the above dog: Ria vom Parchimer Land