Looking to buy a Protection dog Help Please - Page 3

There's a gun and ammunition just inside the doorway, use it only in an emergency.   I guess its from the 70's.

"If you buy a personal protection dog and it comes out of the crate calm, wouldn't you think something was wrong?"  ABSOLUTELY NOT! I think if he came out growling, snarling or trying to eat the wire to get at me is when I'd say I'm thinking "self, there is DEFINATELY something not good about this picture".  I think you may have a TOTAL misconception of what a GOOD pp dog or any other for that matter should be like.  A stable clear headed dog who is confident will most certainly be calm coming out of the crate.  Those make the BEST pp, police k9's as they are thinkers, will not likely react on impulse, or take a bite out of fear or unjust provocation.

"If the dog hasn't worked WITH you, then he's going to see YOU as a threat just as much as anyone else because he doesn't know you." A dog that has been trained weather it be for sport, police or pp knows the difference in a threat or not regardless if it is of a stranger or not;it's something that is taught/shown If you're statement was at all accurate we'd sure have a problem with all those police k9 handlers walking the streets with dogs trying to bite little old ladies standing at the bus stop. 

"Thus a TRUE personal protection dog you haven't spent any time with but purchased from another country or breeder/trainer WOULDN'T LET YOU LET HIM OUTTA THE CRATE"  I'm not sure what breeders or trainers you've dealt with that would sell anyone a dog that the buyer could not take out of the crate unless you requested a maneater; in that case you did not buy a pp dog but a liability.

If you've ever had an opportunity to own/train a really good clear headed, solid nerved pp dog I think you will find a new appreciation for their intelligence and loyalty.  I own 3 pp dogs, none have ever been what you described but quite the contrary.

I hear all about I have security cameras, guns,ect. Well that is all fine but if someone is going to harm/rob/ect you in most real life situations will never react fast enough to go get the gun.Then camera will do nothing for you except tape the crime. 

A ppd dog is not just for home protection what about in the car, at the park, ect.ect. I wish people would not be so short sighted.

Eisen Faust trains PPD dogs for all the senarios that you can image. After the bitework is done they are trained in all real life situations and not on a field. Here are a couple videos that are an everday situation that occurs. Look how fast things happen and you will not make be believe anyone will be able to react fast as a dog to help the situation.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YybUL0eDM4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWvOgUjqeV8

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoID=27382911

Bill be extremely careful out buying a PPD (SCAMMERS).

I'm sorry ts34 but those video's did not impress me in the least.  The dog didn't alert to the camera man in the bush's, he didn't bark on the trail until the man started saying stay back, the dog didn't show any real interest in the child when being patted, and the guy actually had to lay hands on the kid to get a responce only after waving his arms and no sound to show what was said.  The home invader would have shot anything in his path coming through the door and the dog only went for the sleeve.   It was too staged and not convincing in the least.      What would the dog have done if it were kids, say 10 or 11 who had walked over to the smaller child?    The only thing that made sense is a stalker on a path would not walk up to say a woman who was walking any big dog unless he was prepared to take the dog out.   And how would the playground scene have played out in a real park with lots of kids and parents?  

I'm glad my dogs are not trained in this manner.   Mine would bark before the guy got to the door, and mine can be trusted around anyone, just don't grab my kid or wife because the dog would sense they're fear and distress and take someone to the ground probably from the thigh or chest.  My dog would definately see or smell or hear the camera man in the bush's long before we got close.  

I'm sure there are better PPD dogs out there than this.   Keep surfing that U-tube.

I agree with you Agar.

Two moons! it is called control  and an on/off switch when commanded the dog does it.  People need to be educated to really see what is going on ( not saying you are not) just people are so quick to judge. Also these dogs can go anywhere and be around anyone at all times. I am not here to get into a pissing match as I am sure most will over this. The general public is tainted from popluar culture about PPD dog. 

As far as the dog hitting the hidden sleeve I had to feed it to him to bite as I did not have any other protection equipment. If you would like to decoy with-out equipment I will hire you!!!

Lets be honest

A trained PP dog,  is simply One added layer or barrier,  in any protection scenario. They are also a visible threat to anyone intent on harming you.

They are often Not adequate,  in & of themselves, depending on the attacker & his intent.

Ive personally pepper sprayed large, charging dogs  intent on harming me,  while bike riding in the country, protecting myself & as a last resort.  It Works & will immediatly  disable any Dog or Bear, for that matter.   $10 Pepper spray.

Dogs are great alarms & guards.   But one should never put blind trust in any protection system, that is a canine. They are too easy to overcome, for a determined attacker.   A Pipe, Knife or .22 to the head.   And then they come for you.  Average thug, perhaps not. It depends on ones security needs.

If you think 911 will save you, your nuts.  5-20 minute response time for most Depts.   Same goes for a camera, fence et al.  Nice to have after the fact. 

I dont discount dogs as a defense in a system. But neither will say that a dog is all one needs.

Get a gun or guns, learn to properly shoot.  Go hunting.  Learn about adrenaline.

Theres Nothing like a 300lb wild boar charging you,  to gain experience &  practice any real life scenario with adrenaline.

Been there, done that.

No insult intended,  I just wasn't impressed by this particular video.   Attacking a sleeve is great as long as the guys not holding a weapon in the other hand.  I personally just like a dog who thinks for himself and protects out of love and loyalty.

What happens when no one is there to give a command?     Anyway like I said just the sight of the dog is enough to make one think.   And there are liabilities with a dog trained in such a manner.  This has been talked about a lot.  

I think the dog looked good and is well trained,   I was only trying to point out a few reality's from only the video.

By the way, you mentioned control.   I don't know if my dog would have much control once the action started.  Maybe when the guy stopped moving or I physically drug her off.    I should probably work on that.    If the guy's in the house he's gonna get shot anyway I wouldn't want my dog to take the blame..:)

I agree a well trained dog is an asset.   But the dog has to be part of your family and consider you part of his to really have that desire to protect what he loves.     Its the natural instinct of the GSD that makes him my favorite dog.

Hi Ugly,

You ever have any interest in laser's?    just curious.    My eye sight is not what it once was and I have had several over the years. 

Two moons I agree that when you've made a dog a part of your family that bond develops a great deal over time.  My male Agar has developed such a special relationship with my youngest daughter who'll be 2 yrs old, that is truly amzing.  She lays with him, drags her toys to play with him (lol), brings her books to "read" to him (lol) and he will sit there patiently for her as if he is really interested.  There's no doubt in my mind if he felt anyone was going to hurt her they would certainly have picked the wrong child to cross him over.  I'm sure he'd equally respond to other's in the family in a "situation" but he's trained specifically for that.  He just has an unexplainable relationship with the baby specifically.

IMO if someone is looking for a "family protector", a dog that looks intimidating to deter "bad guys" by far I feel the GSD is the perfect choice. If you NEED the certainty the dog can/will take on a real fight and has the courage to do so then certainly it must be "trained" to do so.  Some are fortunate enough that they naturally will protect -MAYBE but unless you test the dog it's not something I'd bet the house on unless I seen it with my own 2 eyes.  I like Dobermans, Rotties and a few other larger breed dogs most people prefer to look the part to discourage "undesireables" however if you've got a family, kids, you just can't go wrong with a well bred GSD (IF you can stand the dog hair) lol

I just get upset when people get this misconception that a pp dog is "unapproachable", "dangerous", not able to live with children or be social.  When people that visit my home see my dogs all they see are beautiful animals that are "well trained".  They have noooo idea the dog I just allowed them to pet would chew their arm off if they came barreling towards me.  I think some people just watch too much tv. lol

2 moons...  I make my living with my eyes..  Eyesight is not bad, though I wear corrective lenses.

Ive never had lasers on any arms.   My shooting is good, not great, but  good enough that Ive hunted & killed many gamebirds, waterfowl,  deer, boar & small game over the years, & every year for the past 25 Ive hunted..   Shooting is an art as well as a science, especially if your shots are longer ones.  My aim is generally steady & excellent at close range( inside 300 yards).

AGAR-much as I love GSDs, the few Ive owned were great dogs, Im not  sure the wife could live with the hair-shes a picky "princess".  We are working out "an arrangement" presently for the "possibility" of me bringing home another dog.    I will say, that A wirecoated dog, like a Riesenschnauzer (Giant Schnazuer) or Bouvier is a dream far as shedding goes in comparison to a Shepherd,  though the hair  thing never really bothered me too much.  If we get a GSD, it wil probably be outdoors or confined to 1-2 rooms in our home.  

Like many smart men, I need to pick my battles with my wife, & Im not sure if this is one I'll win & regret or not.