choke collars - Page 3

The only people bashing and name calling here is  KCzaja and Deeswolf.  Talk about over reactions.  I guess a lot of the top trainers just must not know what they are doing since they don't put correction collars on puppies.  Maybe they need to take some lessons from you guys.

My response was in regard to the comment from Held "Choking a little puppy you guys must great trainers."

Sue, could you please point out to me in my post where I bashed or name called? If I did, it was not intended, as I make a point NOT to bash and name call on ANY public forum.

I have learned over many years, that the ONLY thing two trainers can agree on, is that the third trainer is doing it wrong.

The point I'm trying to make is just because some of us don't use them on puppies is no reason for you to attack us.

Your first two sentences Deeswolf.  Where are all these people and what responses were you making reference to?  One person made an incomplete statement and you jump on everyone else just because we do things different.

Sue,

In the first 6 posts, two people showed agreement to Held's comment. That is what I responded to.
 

Terribly sorry if your perception of my comment was an attack on you or others. It was not.

I am sorry I cannot see where my first two sentences "bash or name call" anyone.  I did not jump on everyone or anyone.

Maybe I took offense at a statement, albeit incomplete, that was accusatory in tone.  I do not wish to get into a debate over this, it is way off topic from the OP. I just wanted to see where it was that I called people names and bashed them or others.

To the OP, I regret that this has gone so far astray.

I think I will refrain from being so stupid as to answer anyone who asks what people use on their own dogs because even that can somehow be turned into an emotional argument on this board.  I was agreeing with Don Corleone's post.

Just let this thread die.  Every pup is different in what it requires.  It is just like a human.  There is no set rule to maturity, etc.  There are no set rules to anything. 

I think that many people that come on this board need to sit back and evaluate their own situation.  You have first hand knowledge of what is going on.  Use it and make an educated judgement.  If you make the wrong choice, then so be it.   If you have to be told what to do in every situation,  then it is pointless.

I have used a fur saver on every dog i ever kept from 4 mos old to 15 years old...why do i want a band of matted down hair on any of my dogs.. The fur saver keeps the dogs hair from matting and leaving a band of irritated skin and hair underneath..They also slip right off , when putting the dogs in the kennel and eash access back on dog ...

Just because your dog has a fur saver on his neck doesnt mean your choking a pup...how ridiuclous for anyone to judge...the question was     choke collars.....maybe thats not a good description of a chair around a pups neck.....a band collar is not useful to me or any of my trainers I train with or attend training in......

A leather collar or a nylon flat collar comes right off over the head and if not so tight you cant get a finger under it,,they can slip it right off on the way down the sidewalk or in the parking lot...I have had no luck with a band collar.  I like to use the chain,,not to choke a pup, but to insure that that pup is still with me when he decides to go south and I'm faceing North.

I was responding to the same comment Deeswolf was. Seemed pretty damn rude to me.

Don, experience to me is more than just time. It's understanding and talent also. I guess I should've worded it differently.

Don, Jesse and myself were among the first 6 and none of us even made reference to Held's post let alone agree with it.